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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Michael, strange you should bring that up. I was just thinking about those days last night. I miss the time when there were fewer, more diverse comic discussion groups online. That dinner you mention was over a decade ago now, though. I&#039;m glad you&#039;re still around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Michael, strange you should bring that up. I was just thinking about those days last night. I miss the time when there were fewer, more diverse comic discussion groups online. That dinner you mention was over a decade ago now, though. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re still around.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Grabois</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Grabois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna, the term I use is &quot;online friends&quot;. Those are not people I see everyday but we read each others postings, blogs, comments, columns, and email enough to consider them above the level of acquaintances. Those are just people you know, not people you hang out with. And there&#039;s a different level of &quot;hanging out-ness&quot; between online and in the real world.

Incidentally, you&#039;re also one of those who helped me venture out into the scary new world of &quot;The Internets&quot; when I was ready to poke my head out of the moderated Compuserve forums. You suggested some of those &quot;Intarweb&quot; sites and warned me about rec.arts.comics.* (but I went anyway). I got to know people via their postings and became friendly with them, enough to want to hang out in person with them in San Diego (places like the Hyatt bar or Steve and Elayne&#039;s parties in the mid-90&#039;s - the only time I met Rich Johnston, by the way). We even had dinner at that Top Gun BBQ place near the SD convention center that one year when you were one of the &quot;Bitches in Black&quot;.  I&#039;d still hang out and have a beer with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, the term I use is &#8220;online friends&#8221;. Those are not people I see everyday but we read each others postings, blogs, comments, columns, and email enough to consider them above the level of acquaintances. Those are just people you know, not people you hang out with. And there&#8217;s a different level of &#8220;hanging out-ness&#8221; between online and in the real world.</p>
<p>Incidentally, you&#8217;re also one of those who helped me venture out into the scary new world of &#8220;The Internets&#8221; when I was ready to poke my head out of the moderated Compuserve forums. You suggested some of those &#8220;Intarweb&#8221; sites and warned me about rec.arts.comics.* (but I went anyway). I got to know people via their postings and became friendly with them, enough to want to hang out in person with them in San Diego (places like the Hyatt bar or Steve and Elayne&#8217;s parties in the mid-90&#8242;s &#8211; the only time I met Rich Johnston, by the way). We even had dinner at that Top Gun BBQ place near the SD convention center that one year when you were one of the &#8220;Bitches in Black&#8221;.  I&#8217;d still hang out and have a beer with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, those are some good suggestions. Guy, I agree -- and I think using the term &quot;friend&quot; too easily can risk making it less special. Ed, true, sometimes being a bit old-fashioned isn&#039;t a bad thing. Rachel, ha! 

(Lea, yeah, one of those &quot;how the world might have been different&quot; choice moments. :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, those are some good suggestions. Guy, I agree &#8212; and I think using the term &#8220;friend&#8221; too easily can risk making it less special. Ed, true, sometimes being a bit old-fashioned isn&#8217;t a bad thing. Rachel, ha! </p>
<p>(Lea, yeah, one of those &#8220;how the world might have been different&#8221; choice moments. :) )</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also find myself wondering what to call the various people I know online. Some people I briefly exchange emails with. With others, I may have a long correspondence which eventually ends with us both meandering off in opposite directions. I like &quot;online acquaintance&quot; if I&#039;ve only exchanged impersonal emails or opinions with someone. If, however, I have ever shared with them something that I keep close to my heart and they respond in kind, they become &quot;my friend.&quot;

It&#039;s tough, though. Tough like figuring out if that guy you&#039;ve been hanging out with for three months now is your &quot;boyfriend&quot; or &quot;just a friend who happens to be a boy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find myself wondering what to call the various people I know online. Some people I briefly exchange emails with. With others, I may have a long correspondence which eventually ends with us both meandering off in opposite directions. I like &#8220;online acquaintance&#8221; if I&#8217;ve only exchanged impersonal emails or opinions with someone. If, however, I have ever shared with them something that I keep close to my heart and they respond in kind, they become &#8220;my friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough, though. Tough like figuring out if that guy you&#8217;ve been hanging out with for three months now is your &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; or &#8220;just a friend who happens to be a boy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Johnston</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s still the account he uses, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s still the account he uses, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s YOUR fault!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s YOUR fault!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Sizemore</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Sizemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna, personally I don&#039;t mind the term acquaintance.  If it sounds old fashioned, oh well.  It&#039;s a shame that the word has fallen into disuse.  I agree with Guy that I have to in-person social interaction before I consider them a friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, personally I don&#8217;t mind the term acquaintance.  If it sounds old fashioned, oh well.  It&#8217;s a shame that the word has fallen into disuse.  I agree with Guy that I have to in-person social interaction before I consider them a friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the separation between friend and acquaintance is whether or not I would want to have more than one beer with them after hanging out with them in person once.  With people I&#039;ve met online, while we might have a lot in common with comics, the in-person social aspect is key to making the jump to friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the separation between friend and acquaintance is whether or not I would want to have more than one beer with them after hanging out with them in person once.  With people I&#8217;ve met online, while we might have a lot in common with comics, the in-person social aspect is key to making the jump to friend.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point I thought of everyone I talked to regularly online as friends. Though as time went on and I grew up a bit, I started seeing the differences between that especially as my free time dwindled.

There are still some I call friends, and I hope they feel the same in return. 

For others, I&#039;ll use the term acquaintance, fellow, or peer. (and occasionally compatriot:) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point I thought of everyone I talked to regularly online as friends. Though as time went on and I grew up a bit, I started seeing the differences between that especially as my free time dwindled.</p>
<p>There are still some I call friends, and I hope they feel the same in return. </p>
<p>For others, I&#8217;ll use the term acquaintance, fellow, or peer. (and occasionally compatriot:) )</p>
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		<title>By: David Oakes</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>David Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Acquaintance&quot; has become very formal, because it feels so &quot;Your Grandfather&#039;s Dictionary&quot;, doesn&#039;t it.  The idea that you can know someone without being friends - and not having a specific social relationship such as &quot;co-worker&quot; or &quot;neighbor&quot; - has really fallen by the wayside.  I blame the Hippies and all that &quot;Free Love&quot; and &quot;Brotherhood of Man&quot; hoo-hah...

Great.  Now I have to go scouring YouTube for brokerage commercials.

Oh, and one last thought on &quot;friend&quot;.  If someone satisfies all the emotional requirements of being a  friend - comfortable around them, always count on them, whatever - then having a physical requirement like &quot;being in the same room&quot; doesn&#039;t make much sense.  It&#039;s like saying you can&#039;t be &quot;family&quot; unless you share blood.  If the commitment is there, it counts.  Even if it doesn&#039;t match what other people say it should be.

(Just making your blog into a hotbed of anti-Fundamentalist dogma, aren&#039;t I?  You are going to have such interesting Google placement for the next few weeks...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Acquaintance&#8221; has become very formal, because it feels so &#8220;Your Grandfather&#8217;s Dictionary&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it.  The idea that you can know someone without being friends &#8211; and not having a specific social relationship such as &#8220;co-worker&#8221; or &#8220;neighbor&#8221; &#8211; has really fallen by the wayside.  I blame the Hippies and all that &#8220;Free Love&#8221; and &#8220;Brotherhood of Man&#8221; hoo-hah&#8230;</p>
<p>Great.  Now I have to go scouring YouTube for brokerage commercials.</p>
<p>Oh, and one last thought on &#8220;friend&#8221;.  If someone satisfies all the emotional requirements of being a  friend &#8211; comfortable around them, always count on them, whatever &#8211; then having a physical requirement like &#8220;being in the same room&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make much sense.  It&#8217;s like saying you can&#8217;t be &#8220;family&#8221; unless you share blood.  If the commitment is there, it counts.  Even if it doesn&#8217;t match what other people say it should be.</p>
<p>(Just making your blog into a hotbed of anti-Fundamentalist dogma, aren&#8217;t I?  You are going to have such interesting Google placement for the next few weeks&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2011</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acquaintance is what I often use, although it sometimes sounds formal and offputting to my audience. 

(Another random historical tidbit: as an elementary schooler, I was part of the crowd in one of those EF Hutton commercials.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acquaintance is what I often use, although it sometimes sounds formal and offputting to my audience. </p>
<p>(Another random historical tidbit: as an elementary schooler, I was part of the crowd in one of those EF Hutton commercials.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Oakes</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>David Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My Internet Stalker Dave&quot;?

&quot;My Obsequious Lackey Dave&quot;?

&quot;My Reason for Being Dave&quot;?

I think it is a fool&#039;s quest to ever try to quantify the ineffable glory that is DAVE [*] with mere words.  Like any Truth, it either resides within you, or it never will.

([*] - All capitals here, by way of &quot;capital a &#039;Art&#039;&quot;, since the familiar cognomen would already be capitalized.  It represents the Platonic Ideal of Dave-nesss, rather than any singular mortal expression.  We are all Dave, under the skin.)

On a less serious note, are people whose face you have seen automatically &quot;friend&quot; and not &quot;acquaintence&quot;?  Would you share deep thoughts with someone you did not trust and respect, and except a reciprocal level of &quot;friendship&quot; in return?  

Like you said, it&#039;s a question of what you are comfortable with.  But trying to say that there is one specific thing that will always tip the scales one way or the other in all situations seems foolish.  (He said, knowing full well that he never calls anyone &quot;friend&quot; who he has not looked in the eye.)  It is possible to be friends with someone you have never met, and live with someone all your life and never really be more than an acquaintence.  And really, we all need all the friends we can get.

&quot;My Broker is Dave, and Dave says...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My Internet Stalker Dave&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;My Obsequious Lackey Dave&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;My Reason for Being Dave&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think it is a fool&#8217;s quest to ever try to quantify the ineffable glory that is DAVE [*] with mere words.  Like any Truth, it either resides within you, or it never will.</p>
<p>([*] &#8211; All capitals here, by way of &#8220;capital a &#8216;Art&#8217;&#8221;, since the familiar cognomen would already be capitalized.  It represents the Platonic Ideal of Dave-nesss, rather than any singular mortal expression.  We are all Dave, under the skin.)</p>
<p>On a less serious note, are people whose face you have seen automatically &#8220;friend&#8221; and not &#8220;acquaintence&#8221;?  Would you share deep thoughts with someone you did not trust and respect, and except a reciprocal level of &#8220;friendship&#8221; in return?  </p>
<p>Like you said, it&#8217;s a question of what you are comfortable with.  But trying to say that there is one specific thing that will always tip the scales one way or the other in all situations seems foolish.  (He said, knowing full well that he never calls anyone &#8220;friend&#8221; who he has not looked in the eye.)  It is possible to be friends with someone you have never met, and live with someone all your life and never really be more than an acquaintence.  And really, we all need all the friends we can get.</p>
<p>&#8220;My Broker is Dave, and Dave says&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Cunard</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Cunard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that situation, I&#039;d probably just say &quot;this guy I know&quot; or &quot;my acquaintance&quot; or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that situation, I&#8217;d probably just say &#8220;this guy I know&#8221; or &#8220;my acquaintance&#8221; or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2008</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True enough, and everyone should use whatever terms they feel comfortable with. It comes up with me most when talking to people in real life and trying to credit a statement. For example, I sometimes don&#039;t know what to put in the blank &quot;My _____ Dave said that...&quot; when I don&#039;t feel particularly close to Dave but I respect him and his opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough, and everyone should use whatever terms they feel comfortable with. It comes up with me most when talking to people in real life and trying to credit a statement. For example, I sometimes don&#8217;t know what to put in the blank &#8220;My _____ Dave said that&#8230;&#8221; when I don&#8217;t feel particularly close to Dave but I respect him and his opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Cunard</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/04/14/learning-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Cunard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say they&#039;re friends if you think they&#039;re friends (how&#039;s &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; for wishy-washy?). There are definitely people on-line who I feel much closer to than people I see in person on a regular, social basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re friends if you think they&#8217;re friends (how&#8217;s <i>that</i> for wishy-washy?). There are definitely people on-line who I feel much closer to than people I see in person on a regular, social basis.</p>
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