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		<title>By: Whatever Happened to Taki Soma? &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-101482</link>
		<dc:creator>Whatever Happened to Taki Soma? &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] created Mice Templar. I didn&#8217;t know Taki Soma was also an artist; I recalled her from the harassment fiasco that tarnished both the CBLDF and Friends of [...]</description>
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<p>[...] created Mice Templar. I didn&#8217;t know Taki Soma was also an artist; I recalled her from the harassment fiasco that tarnished both the CBLDF and Friends of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2407</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 11:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only black and white if you believe everything she says and nothing he does. I&#039;m familiar with sexual harassment policies in the real world, Scott, since I manage a team in the business world and have been through several rounds of policy training. First you have to determine the facts of the situation, and given the discrepancies in the reporting (the biggest being, in my opinion, why her defenders claimed she pressed charges when the police say she didn&#039;t), those are no longer clear to observers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only black and white if you believe everything she says and nothing he does. I&#8217;m familiar with sexual harassment policies in the real world, Scott, since I manage a team in the business world and have been through several rounds of policy training. First you have to determine the facts of the situation, and given the discrepancies in the reporting (the biggest being, in my opinion, why her defenders claimed she pressed charges when the police say she didn&#8217;t), those are no longer clear to observers.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hassler</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2395</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im seeing this in black and white because its a black and white situation.

go to a high school or college campus and ask about their sexual harrassment policy. i think youll find it is zero tolerance. 

ask about the anti- date rape measures being taken, chances are youll see posters saying things like &quot;no means no, no excuses&quot;

even if, it was exactly as brownstein stated, it is to much. this isnt just my opinion johanna, its the law and also our new societal norm.

im not advocating hanging brownstein or even sending him to prison. i do feel however, for me and my $$, if cbldf keeps this guy on they lose beaucoup credibility.

if he was such an honorable guy hed know how badly he screwed up and offer to step down so as to avoid any further embarrassment to his employer because of this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im seeing this in black and white because its a black and white situation.</p>
<p>go to a high school or college campus and ask about their sexual harrassment policy. i think youll find it is zero tolerance. </p>
<p>ask about the anti- date rape measures being taken, chances are youll see posters saying things like &#8220;no means no, no excuses&#8221;</p>
<p>even if, it was exactly as brownstein stated, it is to much. this isnt just my opinion johanna, its the law and also our new societal norm.</p>
<p>im not advocating hanging brownstein or even sending him to prison. i do feel however, for me and my $$, if cbldf keeps this guy on they lose beaucoup credibility.</p>
<p>if he was such an honorable guy hed know how badly he screwed up and offer to step down so as to avoid any further embarrassment to his employer because of this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2391</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackie, thank you for that background, although it only raises more questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackie, thank you for that background, although it only raises more questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Estrada</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the founding board members of Friends of Lulu, I recall that under the type of nonprofit charter we chose, we would be unable to set up something like the proposed fund. FoL is an educational nonprofit. As such, we weren&#039;t even able to donate to the CBLDF without violating our charter. I haven&#039;t been involved with FoL for several years now, so it&#039;s possible that subsequent boards  changed its type of nonprofit status but that would be pretty difficult.

Jackie Estrada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the founding board members of Friends of Lulu, I recall that under the type of nonprofit charter we chose, we would be unable to set up something like the proposed fund. FoL is an educational nonprofit. As such, we weren&#8217;t even able to donate to the CBLDF without violating our charter. I haven&#8217;t been involved with FoL for several years now, so it&#8217;s possible that subsequent boards  changed its type of nonprofit status but that would be pretty difficult.</p>
<p>Jackie Estrada</p>
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		<title>By: Brownstein&#8217;s Response &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-101001</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownstein&#8217;s Response &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 00:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on the Journal coverage of gropegate, Newsarama posts Brownstein&#8217;s side of the story, including his apology.  I feigned to lift up [...]</description>
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<p>[...] up on the Journal coverage of gropegate, Newsarama posts Brownstein&#8217;s side of the story, including his apology.  I feigned to lift up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, why is everything so black and white with you? If everyone&#039;s drunk, everyone&#039;s memories are suspect, and everyone may have exercised bad judgment or misinterpreted a situation. You seem to want to believe this of the guy but not of the girl. 

I&#039;m defending Brownstein in this conversation because you&#039;ve been bound and determined to believe everything reported about Soma, regardless of whether it contradicts the police statements or how often her vocal supporters have contradicted themselves. I&#039;m trying to show you a more balanced viewpoint. 

I&#039;ve said several times that I&#039;m very sorry for Soma, whatever happened, because evidently it was traumatic for her. That doesn&#039;t mean she&#039;s above question or not responsible in some way for how this all has played out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, why is everything so black and white with you? If everyone&#8217;s drunk, everyone&#8217;s memories are suspect, and everyone may have exercised bad judgment or misinterpreted a situation. You seem to want to believe this of the guy but not of the girl. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m defending Brownstein in this conversation because you&#8217;ve been bound and determined to believe everything reported about Soma, regardless of whether it contradicts the police statements or how often her vocal supporters have contradicted themselves. I&#8217;m trying to show you a more balanced viewpoint. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said several times that I&#8217;m very sorry for Soma, whatever happened, because evidently it was traumatic for her. That doesn&#8217;t mean she&#8217;s above question or not responsible in some way for how this all has played out.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hassler</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 21:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree with you that “alcoholic behavior” had a lot to do with it, but that appears to apply to *everyone* involved.&quot;

what i took from this statement is that she was also engaged in alcoholic behavior, therefore tainting her side of the story.

did you know that as of 5 years ago there were still 3 states in america where a man couldnt be charged with rape if his alleged victim was drunk?  what do you think of that?

maybe im not seeing this correctly but it sure seems as if your really stretching to defend this brownstein guy and assume the worst of soma. any reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree with you that “alcoholic behavior” had a lot to do with it, but that appears to apply to *everyone* involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>what i took from this statement is that she was also engaged in alcoholic behavior, therefore tainting her side of the story.</p>
<p>did you know that as of 5 years ago there were still 3 states in america where a man couldnt be charged with rape if his alleged victim was drunk?  what do you think of that?</p>
<p>maybe im not seeing this correctly but it sure seems as if your really stretching to defend this brownstein guy and assume the worst of soma. any reason?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, you&#039;re so eager to take sides that you&#039;re reading things no one wrote. I&#039;m not saying &quot;she deserved to be groped&quot; -- I&#039;m saying that I&#039;m no longer convinced her story, as presented in the online media, is exactly what happened. It&#039;s possible he was drunk and did something inappropriate; it&#039;s also possible that she did.

The biggest question right now, in my opinion, is why Soma&#039;s spokeswoman said that &quot;she didn&#039;t refuse to press charges&quot; when the police say that&#039;s exactly why the case wasn&#039;t pursued. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you&#8217;re so eager to take sides that you&#8217;re reading things no one wrote. I&#8217;m not saying &#8220;she deserved to be groped&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m saying that I&#8217;m no longer convinced her story, as presented in the online media, is exactly what happened. It&#8217;s possible he was drunk and did something inappropriate; it&#8217;s also possible that she did.</p>
<p>The biggest question right now, in my opinion, is why Soma&#8217;s spokeswoman said that &#8220;she didn&#8217;t refuse to press charges&#8221; when the police say that&#8217;s exactly why the case wasn&#8217;t pursued.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hassler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 19:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh i beg to differ. what was takis crime? drinking and hanging out with 2 men she trusted?

thats the same sort of attitude as the &quot;well did you see how she was dressed? she deserved it!&quot; arguement and im very surprised to hear that coming from you.

even if she was drunk off her ass its no excuse for what he did.

and yes, its quite easy to call his actions alcoholic behavior. blacked out and acting aggressively and sexually aggressive are BIG TIME indicators of alcoholic drinking.

i do not know a substance abuse professional (and i know many) who would diagnose it as anything but.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh i beg to differ. what was takis crime? drinking and hanging out with 2 men she trusted?</p>
<p>thats the same sort of attitude as the &#8220;well did you see how she was dressed? she deserved it!&#8221; arguement and im very surprised to hear that coming from you.</p>
<p>even if she was drunk off her ass its no excuse for what he did.</p>
<p>and yes, its quite easy to call his actions alcoholic behavior. blacked out and acting aggressively and sexually aggressive are BIG TIME indicators of alcoholic drinking.</p>
<p>i do not know a substance abuse professional (and i know many) who would diagnose it as anything but.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/01/naming-names/comment-page-1/#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, you&#039;re assuming that one side of the story, the one you heard first, is the correct one. I agree with you that &quot;alcoholic behavior&quot; had a lot to do with it, but that appears to apply to *everyone* involved. 

Gus, I don&#039;t know why TCJ is making that choice (although I could guess the obvious reason: to drive magazine sales) but I think it&#039;s a poor one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you&#8217;re assuming that one side of the story, the one you heard first, is the correct one. I agree with you that &#8220;alcoholic behavior&#8221; had a lot to do with it, but that appears to apply to *everyone* involved. </p>
<p>Gus, I don&#8217;t know why TCJ is making that choice (although I could guess the obvious reason: to drive magazine sales) but I think it&#8217;s a poor one.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Dahlberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Dahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 13:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: I think it&#039;s a bit of a stretch to jump from Dean&#039;s description of events in the TCJ article to &quot;alcoholic behavior&quot;, as you describe it.  Nothing there suggests that Brownstein is an alcoholic; at worst, he was intoxicated on that particular occasion.  Given the already heated and confused discussion surrounding this story, it&#039;s probably best to stick only to facts as stated, and not to read things that aren&#039;t there.

Johanna: thanks for the pointer; I probably would have missed this until later in the week.  It&#039;s a good piece; why do you suppose that TCJ is indicating they&#039;re going to redact portions of the online story for print, but not leave the full version up on the web indefinitely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: I think it&#8217;s a bit of a stretch to jump from Dean&#8217;s description of events in the TCJ article to &#8220;alcoholic behavior&#8221;, as you describe it.  Nothing there suggests that Brownstein is an alcoholic; at worst, he was intoxicated on that particular occasion.  Given the already heated and confused discussion surrounding this story, it&#8217;s probably best to stick only to facts as stated, and not to read things that aren&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Johanna: thanks for the pointer; I probably would have missed this until later in the week.  It&#8217;s a good piece; why do you suppose that TCJ is indicating they&#8217;re going to redact portions of the online story for print, but not leave the full version up on the web indefinitely?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hassler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 03:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this brownstein guy has for the most part   probably ruined his career.  glad i gave up the sauce before i started pursuing a comics career. although i never forced myself on women, i definitely engaged in blacklisting behavior before i settled down. 

im sure this guy feels terrible for what he did. and it definitely sounds like alcoholic behavior to me, which is often displayed by people who are otherwise incredible individuals until the booze takes over. 

unfortunately, in our society, and especially in close knit micro societys like comics is, once you bear the scarlet letter, its nigh impossible to cast it off.

no matter if brownstein sobers up for it and redeems himself 1000 times over, most will associate him as being the guy who sexually assaulted taki soma. and rightfully so in my book. it is sexual assault after all, not puking on joe quesada or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this brownstein guy has for the most part   probably ruined his career.  glad i gave up the sauce before i started pursuing a comics career. although i never forced myself on women, i definitely engaged in blacklisting behavior before i settled down. </p>
<p>im sure this guy feels terrible for what he did. and it definitely sounds like alcoholic behavior to me, which is often displayed by people who are otherwise incredible individuals until the booze takes over. </p>
<p>unfortunately, in our society, and especially in close knit micro societys like comics is, once you bear the scarlet letter, its nigh impossible to cast it off.</p>
<p>no matter if brownstein sobers up for it and redeems himself 1000 times over, most will associate him as being the guy who sexually assaulted taki soma. and rightfully so in my book. it is sexual assault after all, not puking on joe quesada or something.</p>
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