Comments on: DMP and the Age of Consent http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/ Independent Opinions on Comics of All Kinds Thu, 24 May 2012 04:45:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Sarah http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-9168 Sarah Wed, 17 May 2006 02:01:44 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-9168 "Publishers just don't get it these days" It's not surprising that they would send (or threaten to send) the C&D, but they don't actually have a solid claim there, either. Reproducing a single image for specific commentary on that image in a noncommercial context is a classic example of fair use. “Publishers just don’t get it these days”

It’s not surprising that they would send (or threaten to send) the C&D, but they don’t actually have a solid claim there, either. Reproducing a single image for specific commentary on that image in a noncommercial context is a classic example of fair use.

]]> By: Johanna http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-9147 Johanna Wed, 17 May 2006 00:58:37 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-9147 Ed, what the Supreme Court says only matters if you can get there -- and given that a local prosecution on obscenity grounds has already cost the CBLDF $60,000, it takes a LOT of resources to get there. Most censors count on people not being able to fight them locally. It doesn't matter who's right -- it matters who can send in the cops. Ed, what the Supreme Court says only matters if you can get there — and given that a local prosecution on obscenity grounds has already cost the CBLDF $60,000, it takes a LOT of resources to get there. Most censors count on people not being able to fight them locally. It doesn’t matter who’s right — it matters who can send in the cops.

]]> By: Dorian http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8707 Dorian Tue, 16 May 2006 18:15:19 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8707 As I mentioned at Chris's site, this sort of thing is far from what I expected from DMP given the contact I've had with them in the past. I'm hoping that this is an isolated incident, not a sign of the company's current attitude. I am sort of worried, however, that we might see more defensive responses like this from manga publishers in the aftermath of the Bakersfield manga incident, especially in regards to works with gay themes and underage characters. As I mentioned at Chris’s site, this sort of thing is far from what I expected from DMP given the contact I’ve had with them in the past. I’m hoping that this is an isolated incident, not a sign of the company’s current attitude.

I am sort of worried, however, that we might see more defensive responses like this from manga publishers in the aftermath of the Bakersfield manga incident, especially in regards to works with gay themes and underage characters.

]]> By: David Welsh http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8702 David Welsh Tue, 16 May 2006 18:04:16 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8702 This probably never would have happened if Isaac Lew was still there. I'm guessing he would have enjoyed the debate instead of clenching so hard. This probably never would have happened if Isaac Lew was still there. I’m guessing he would have enjoyed the debate instead of clenching so hard.

]]> By: Lyle http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8700 Lyle Tue, 16 May 2006 16:58:56 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8700 Wasn't there a recent proscecution with an imported hentai comic in Canada not to long ago? DMP has a different set of legal concerns. I agree with your sentiment about reviewing any further DMP books. I was meaning to say some nice things about Yellow and Antique Bakery, but considering the way the company reacts to hearing things they don't like being said, I feel better not talking about them. Wasn’t there a recent proscecution with an imported hentai comic in Canada not to long ago? DMP has a different set of legal concerns.

I agree with your sentiment about reviewing any further DMP books. I was meaning to say some nice things about Yellow and Antique Bakery, but considering the way the company reacts to hearing things they don’t like being said, I feel better not talking about them.

]]> By: Ed Sizemore http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8695 Ed Sizemore Tue, 16 May 2006 16:00:05 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8695 Chris, Are you talking about the amendments to the Protect Act of 2003? If so, the text of the act says that it forbids only computer generated images that are Indistinguishable from pictures. It explicitly says the act doesn't apply to cartoons, drawings, paintings and even statues. If there is another law you that the CBLDF is talking about, let me know. Chris, Are you talking about the amendments to the Protect Act of 2003? If so, the text of the act says that it forbids only computer generated images that are Indistinguishable from pictures. It explicitly says the act doesn’t apply to cartoons, drawings, paintings and even statues. If there is another law you that the CBLDF is talking about, let me know.

]]> By: aaron dumin http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8689 aaron dumin Tue, 16 May 2006 15:44:11 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8689 "Cease and decease," giggle! “Cease and decease,” giggle!

]]> By: Rachel http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8647 Rachel Tue, 16 May 2006 14:30:02 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8647 "Trying to argue someone out of a negative opinion will often simply reinforce that negative opinion." Sounds like a debate club primer :) “Trying to argue someone out of a negative opinion will often simply reinforce that negative opinion.”

Sounds like a debate club primer :)

]]> By: Chris http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8631 Chris Tue, 16 May 2006 14:11:08 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8631 Ed- The specific problem is in visual depictions, where there are laws regarding child pornography enacted that seek to circumvent existing Supreme Court decisions. If I get some time, I'll try and find the article I read from the CBLDF's BUSTED magazine online somewhere, about the new law. It's called 'the child protection act' or something, and it specifically targets visual depictions (it was intended to combat things like hyper-realistic 3d renders and stuff, but line illustrations (comics) ended up being just as bad, in their eyes. Ed- The specific problem is in visual depictions, where there are laws regarding child pornography enacted that seek to circumvent existing Supreme Court decisions. If I get some time, I’ll try and find the article I read from the CBLDF’s BUSTED magazine online somewhere, about the new law. It’s called ‘the child protection act’ or something, and it specifically targets visual depictions (it was intended to combat things like hyper-realistic 3d renders and stuff, but line illustrations (comics) ended up being just as bad, in their eyes.

]]> By: Ed Sizemore http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-8591 Ed Sizemore Tue, 16 May 2006 13:17:23 +0000 http://www.comicsworthreading.com/2006/05/16/dmp-and-the-age-of-consent/#comment-8591 Johanna, Age of consent has always been a burr for anime and manga. The Japanese have no problem with teenage nudity and sex. Even series like Ranma 1/2 and Inu Yasha feature under 18 toplessness. One anime company tried to get around this issue, by having a short informational video on their DVD's. The video said that even though it appeared the characters were wearing high school uniforms, in fact, they were wearing community college (or its equivalent in Japan) uniforms. However, looking at the relationship of the characters and the kind of school activities they were participating in made it evident the characters were in high school. I thought this would be a dead issue since the Supreme Court ruled that characters of fictional works didn't not have to be over the age of eighteen. If I remember, Lolita was sited by the Court as an example of acceptable art that dealt with sexuality and minors. Johanna, Age of consent has always been a burr for anime and manga. The Japanese have no problem with teenage nudity and sex. Even series like Ranma 1/2 and Inu Yasha feature under 18 toplessness. One anime company tried to get around this issue, by having a short informational video on their DVD’s. The video said that even though it appeared the characters were wearing high school uniforms, in fact, they were wearing community college (or its equivalent in Japan) uniforms. However, looking at the relationship of the characters and the kind of school activities they were participating in made it evident the characters were in high school.

I thought this would be a dead issue since the Supreme Court ruled that characters of fictional works didn’t not have to be over the age of eighteen. If I remember, Lolita was sited by the Court as an example of acceptable art that dealt with sexuality and minors.

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