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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/06/11/zoom-suit-chases-collectibility/comment-page-1/#comment-26230</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Denton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna, I&#039;m glad you posted that link. I think he&#039;s right about where the market should be aimed at - collectors shouldn&#039;t be a primary focus if the industry wants to thrive (or just survive), although they shouldn&#039;t be neglected either. I have no ethical qualms about completely shutting out speculators, however. ;)

It&#039;s interesting - my LCS, Heroes, is a good example of what comic stores should be (overall).  However, even they feel compelled, whether because of market conditions (staying competitive) or because people will buy it, to mark up variant covers. I never would have believed it when I saw a customer in front of me on NCD buy a $100 variant cover on a recent Avengers (I believe) issue. When I half-jokingly told the clerk, &quot;you&#039;re going to hell for that,&quot; he good-naturedly replied that a store must cater to all tastes, from me who has no interest in such chicanery to the guy who found it a legitimate buy (for what motive I don&#039;t know since I didn&#039;t ask).  I&#039;m not sure what point I was trying to make, but there you go. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, I&#8217;m glad you posted that link. I think he&#8217;s right about where the market should be aimed at &#8211; collectors shouldn&#8217;t be a primary focus if the industry wants to thrive (or just survive), although they shouldn&#8217;t be neglected either. I have no ethical qualms about completely shutting out speculators, however. ;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting &#8211; my LCS, Heroes, is a good example of what comic stores should be (overall).  However, even they feel compelled, whether because of market conditions (staying competitive) or because people will buy it, to mark up variant covers. I never would have believed it when I saw a customer in front of me on NCD buy a $100 variant cover on a recent Avengers (I believe) issue. When I half-jokingly told the clerk, &#8220;you&#8217;re going to hell for that,&#8221; he good-naturedly replied that a store must cater to all tastes, from me who has no interest in such chicanery to the guy who found it a legitimate buy (for what motive I don&#8217;t know since I didn&#8217;t ask).  I&#8217;m not sure what point I was trying to make, but there you go. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/06/11/zoom-suit-chases-collectibility/comment-page-1/#comment-26127</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The retailer at &lt;a href=&quot;http://macguffinalley.blogspot.com/2006/06/quick-hits-611.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Macguffin&lt;/a&gt; has some additional thoughts about collecting versus speculating. Here&#039;s his summation (but there&#039;s more at the link): 

&lt;blockquote&gt;there remains a distinction between an comic&#039;s value as entertainment to be consumed and the same comic&#039;s value as part of a collection of similar items. That there is a role for both values in this industry goes without question, but as with books, dvds or any other item that can be valued in both ways, the primary focus of the industry (assuming it is interested in growing its sales) should be on the casual consumer rather than the collector.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The retailer at <a href="http://macguffinalley.blogspot.com/2006/06/quick-hits-611.html" rel="nofollow">Macguffin</a> has some additional thoughts about collecting versus speculating. Here&#8217;s his summation (but there&#8217;s more at the link): </p>
<blockquote><p>there remains a distinction between an comic&#8217;s value as entertainment to be consumed and the same comic&#8217;s value as part of a collection of similar items. That there is a role for both values in this industry goes without question, but as with books, dvds or any other item that can be valued in both ways, the primary focus of the industry (assuming it is interested in growing its sales) should be on the casual consumer rather than the collector.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/06/11/zoom-suit-chases-collectibility/comment-page-1/#comment-26124</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken, good point, and another example of how comics put its own spin on a perfectly good word. 

Michael, point taken, but I&#039;ve been broken of that impulse as well. Since marrying, I haven&#039;t had to search for anything rare I&#039;ve been looking for, which is both a plus and a minus. 

Nat, I&#039;d forgotten about the special printing effects, and that&#039;s a good reminder about lead times. 

Johnny, heh, good word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, good point, and another example of how comics put its own spin on a perfectly good word. </p>
<p>Michael, point taken, but I&#8217;ve been broken of that impulse as well. Since marrying, I haven&#8217;t had to search for anything rare I&#8217;ve been looking for, which is both a plus and a minus. </p>
<p>Nat, I&#8217;d forgotten about the special printing effects, and that&#8217;s a good reminder about lead times. </p>
<p>Johnny, heh, good word.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think of mine as more of an accumulation, rather than a collection...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of mine as more of an accumulation, rather than a collection&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Gertler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Gertler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t presume the &quot;no second printing&quot; statement means no trades. Second printings of any color comic are tough for the smaller publisher, and on Zoom Suit #1 it&#039;s particularly true, since they used special printing tech which was done overseas. It can take months of lead time to get it done affordably, and by that point most of the demand is apt to have evaporated. The level of orders needed to justify a second print on a book like this is much higher than it would be for a standard black-and-white indy comic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t presume the &#8220;no second printing&#8221; statement means no trades. Second printings of any color comic are tough for the smaller publisher, and on Zoom Suit #1 it&#8217;s particularly true, since they used special printing tech which was done overseas. It can take months of lead time to get it done affordably, and by that point most of the demand is apt to have evaporated. The level of orders needed to justify a second print on a book like this is much higher than it would be for a standard black-and-white indy comic.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Willy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hi tech?&quot; What kind of press releases uses the word &quot;hi tech?&quot; It makes them sound like old fuddy duddies...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hi tech?&#8221; What kind of press releases uses the word &#8220;hi tech?&#8221; It makes them sound like old fuddy duddies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nat, when I said Taddeo was misreading things, I was referring to the no reprints stance he&#039;s taking (presumably also meaning no trades), not anything to do with variant covers. Sorry about not being more specific.

Good point also about the &quot;investor&#039;s&quot; idea. &quot;Speculator&#039;s market&quot; works better, you&#039;re right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat, when I said Taddeo was misreading things, I was referring to the no reprints stance he&#8217;s taking (presumably also meaning no trades), not anything to do with variant covers. Sorry about not being more specific.</p>
<p>Good point also about the &#8220;investor&#8217;s&#8221; idea. &#8220;Speculator&#8217;s market&#8221; works better, you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Denton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Denton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna, I agree with Ken. Your archive is a collection - and I proudly call myself a comic collector, although I have no delusions about my collection being worth anything monetarily - and I&#039;d be reluctant to sell them if they ever did. It&#039;s this last part that I believe makes me solidly a collector - rather than speculator or investor - it doesn&#039;t matter how much they&#039;re worth, they&#039;re mine and I don&#039;t want to give them up. There is something inherently rewarding to me just to have it (especialy having a particularly rare or unusual book or a particular run of a book (for me, Morrison&#039;s complete Doom Patrol run)) that defines &quot;collector&quot; and makes it a hobby (the searching for those missing issues, discovering titles you didn&#039;t know or care about before). Even if you don&#039;t feel that strongly about it, or go about it that way, you do still collect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, I agree with Ken. Your archive is a collection &#8211; and I proudly call myself a comic collector, although I have no delusions about my collection being worth anything monetarily &#8211; and I&#8217;d be reluctant to sell them if they ever did. It&#8217;s this last part that I believe makes me solidly a collector &#8211; rather than speculator or investor &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t matter how much they&#8217;re worth, they&#8217;re mine and I don&#8217;t want to give them up. There is something inherently rewarding to me just to have it (especialy having a particularly rare or unusual book or a particular run of a book (for me, Morrison&#8217;s complete Doom Patrol run)) that defines &#8220;collector&#8221; and makes it a hobby (the searching for those missing issues, discovering titles you didn&#8217;t know or care about before). Even if you don&#8217;t feel that strongly about it, or go about it that way, you do still collect.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Gertler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Gertler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zoom Suit did well at something that it&#039;s hard for an indy to do - getting the first issue on the shelves and seen. It&#039;s hard to get customers if they can&#039;t get your book. Taddeo manged to get press, managed to get on shelves (offering a series of incentives on the book that made it a lot less risky for retailers to carry in quantity than most books), providing a system that got press release with a given retailer&#039;s info circulated to their local media. There is something to be said for the level of support he&#039;s given the book. If it fails, it&#039;s not because it wasn&#039;t given a shot.
As for whether he&#039;s misreading the market - take a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6473&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;top selling comics of 2005&lt;/a&gt;, and as you look at the top of the list realize that almost all of these had some form of multiple cover going on (variant mixes, chase editions, director&#039;s cut, second printing, whatever.)

Oh, and it&#039;s not really investing. Investing means that you&#039;re vesting someone/something with your money, so that the money can be used by them in an attempt to increase value. Nobody gets vested iwith your money in comics; it&#039;s speculation rather than investment. But I agree, the confusion of collecting with speculation is misleading. 

--Nat (collecting dust)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoom Suit did well at something that it&#8217;s hard for an indy to do &#8211; getting the first issue on the shelves and seen. It&#8217;s hard to get customers if they can&#8217;t get your book. Taddeo manged to get press, managed to get on shelves (offering a series of incentives on the book that made it a lot less risky for retailers to carry in quantity than most books), providing a system that got press release with a given retailer&#8217;s info circulated to their local media. There is something to be said for the level of support he&#8217;s given the book. If it fails, it&#8217;s not because it wasn&#8217;t given a shot.<br />
As for whether he&#8217;s misreading the market &#8211; take a look at the <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6473" rel="nofollow">top selling comics of 2005</a>, and as you look at the top of the list realize that almost all of these had some form of multiple cover going on (variant mixes, chase editions, director&#8217;s cut, second printing, whatever.)</p>
<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s not really investing. Investing means that you&#8217;re vesting someone/something with your money, so that the money can be used by them in an attempt to increase value. Nobody gets vested iwith your money in comics; it&#8217;s speculation rather than investment. But I agree, the confusion of collecting with speculation is misleading. </p>
<p>&#8211;Nat (collecting dust)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taddeo seems to have really misread the current market. I can&#039;t see that sort of mentality getting  very far, but good luck to him anyway, I guess.

I&#039;m curious, though. Since when does the word &quot;collect&quot; mean to only get something for the monetary value it has/will hopefully have? People can collect comics (or anything for that matter) for whatever reasons they want. Getting something, then getting more of it is all that&#039;s required to make something a collection. It&#039;s semantics, sure, but, Johanna, your archive is a collection. One you hold onto read rather than try to make money from, but that&#039;s still a collection. Saying you collect something says nothing about the reasons why you collect it or the value of the collection. 

Sorry about getting kind of off-topic like that, but that misuse of the word bugs me. Maybe the &quot;collector&#039;s market&quot; should be renamed the &quot;investor&#039;s market&quot;. It seems a better fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taddeo seems to have really misread the current market. I can&#8217;t see that sort of mentality getting  very far, but good luck to him anyway, I guess.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, though. Since when does the word &#8220;collect&#8221; mean to only get something for the monetary value it has/will hopefully have? People can collect comics (or anything for that matter) for whatever reasons they want. Getting something, then getting more of it is all that&#8217;s required to make something a collection. It&#8217;s semantics, sure, but, Johanna, your archive is a collection. One you hold onto read rather than try to make money from, but that&#8217;s still a collection. Saying you collect something says nothing about the reasons why you collect it or the value of the collection. </p>
<p>Sorry about getting kind of off-topic like that, but that misuse of the word bugs me. Maybe the &#8220;collector&#8217;s market&#8221; should be renamed the &#8220;investor&#8217;s market&#8221;. It seems a better fit.</p>
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