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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with everything you&#039;ve said here. I think misunderstandings come when someone says &quot;critics do...&quot; meaning &quot;some critics&quot; and others take their meaning to be &quot;most critics&quot; (and vice versa for &quot;creators&quot;). Thanks for stopping by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you&#8217;ve said here. I think misunderstandings come when someone says &#8220;critics do&#8230;&#8221; meaning &#8220;some critics&#8221; and others take their meaning to be &#8220;most critics&#8221; (and vice versa for &#8220;creators&#8221;). Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Rikki Simons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rikki Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is an extremely late reply to this thread and I apologize for that.  I only discovered this thread today because I was being narcissistic with Google&#039;s new blog search engine.

It&#039;s true that you&#039;ve been writing reviews for a decade and a half but your post seems to almost imply that I have not been writing comics for also a decade and a half.  I am not a part of this new OEL crowd.  ShutterBox was the first American book published by Tokyopop and for better or worse it stands on its own (and Tokyopop does not own ShutterBox, we signed our contract with TP before they went 50/50 on everone else) .  You were one of our early supporters when Tavisha and I published Reality Check! in 1996 and I still appreciate the kind things you wrote back then.

If I have a misunderstanding here at all it&#039;s that I don&#039;t really know what the other Tokyopop creators are saying when they react to negative reviews.  So, you got me there.  If they&#039;re being horrible and gathering minions to soothe their egos in locked journals, it&#039;s not a party I&#039;ve ever been invited to.

Your model of the critic who is trying to help creators sounds great, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s very realistic for the majority of reviews I read on other blogs.  I understand that you take the time to try and be helpful, but the emphasis with many, many other blog-crittics is just to be snarky, with no finesse, no charm.  The motive behind these blogs is often to drive the creator out of comics and their idea of being helpful is to demand a different career path.  And yet, these are usually the fist guys to complain when their board gets clogged with a new creator&#039;s irate friends.  It just seems really, I mean reeeeaaallly silly to me that a reviewer can write a vicious comment -- an obviously not helpful comment -- and not expect a reply.  Why is it not onsidered unprofessional for the critic to be horrible but totally unprofessional for the creator to respond in kind?  I&#039;m sorry, I just can&#039;t reconcile those those points.  It just makes no sense to me.

For the person who asked if it was easier to publish with a &quot;global manga&quot; publisher than somewhere else, from my experience, no it&#039;s not easier -- for me.  For someone else, I guess if the publisher has quota to fill.  It&#039;s easier than to self-publish, which I&#039;ve also done, but that&#039;s the case for every regular publishing venture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is an extremely late reply to this thread and I apologize for that.  I only discovered this thread today because I was being narcissistic with Google&#8217;s new blog search engine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that you&#8217;ve been writing reviews for a decade and a half but your post seems to almost imply that I have not been writing comics for also a decade and a half.  I am not a part of this new OEL crowd.  ShutterBox was the first American book published by Tokyopop and for better or worse it stands on its own (and Tokyopop does not own ShutterBox, we signed our contract with TP before they went 50/50 on everone else) .  You were one of our early supporters when Tavisha and I published Reality Check! in 1996 and I still appreciate the kind things you wrote back then.</p>
<p>If I have a misunderstanding here at all it&#8217;s that I don&#8217;t really know what the other Tokyopop creators are saying when they react to negative reviews.  So, you got me there.  If they&#8217;re being horrible and gathering minions to soothe their egos in locked journals, it&#8217;s not a party I&#8217;ve ever been invited to.</p>
<p>Your model of the critic who is trying to help creators sounds great, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very realistic for the majority of reviews I read on other blogs.  I understand that you take the time to try and be helpful, but the emphasis with many, many other blog-crittics is just to be snarky, with no finesse, no charm.  The motive behind these blogs is often to drive the creator out of comics and their idea of being helpful is to demand a different career path.  And yet, these are usually the fist guys to complain when their board gets clogged with a new creator&#8217;s irate friends.  It just seems really, I mean reeeeaaallly silly to me that a reviewer can write a vicious comment &#8212; an obviously not helpful comment &#8212; and not expect a reply.  Why is it not onsidered unprofessional for the critic to be horrible but totally unprofessional for the creator to respond in kind?  I&#8217;m sorry, I just can&#8217;t reconcile those those points.  It just makes no sense to me.</p>
<p>For the person who asked if it was easier to publish with a &#8220;global manga&#8221; publisher than somewhere else, from my experience, no it&#8217;s not easier &#8212; for me.  For someone else, I guess if the publisher has quota to fill.  It&#8217;s easier than to self-publish, which I&#8217;ve also done, but that&#8217;s the case for every regular publishing venture.</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pre-holiday odds and ends</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36717</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pre-holiday odds and ends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] At Crocodile Caucus, Lyle has some good advice for creators on dealing with negative reviews. Rikki Simons gives his take, and Johanna responds. There&#8217;s an interesting exchange in the comments, where someone asks whether it&#8217;s easier to break into comics through global manga than traditional comics. Johanna replies:  I think it&#039;s certainly easier to become a paid professional. If you meet Tokyopop&#039;s criteria and are selected by them, then that route seems easier than risking your own money and self-publishing. [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] At Crocodile Caucus, Lyle has some good advice for creators on dealing with negative reviews. Rikki Simons gives his take, and Johanna responds. There&#8217;s an interesting exchange in the comments, where someone asks whether it&#8217;s easier to break into comics through global manga than traditional comics. Johanna replies:  I think it&#8217;s certainly easier to become a paid professional. If you meet Tokyopop&#8217;s criteria and are selected by them, then that route seems easier than risking your own money and self-publishing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36525</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that does make it easier to get published through Tokyopop... when their OEL line was getting launched and they were encouraging fans to send in submissions at San Diego, they expressed willingness to match a writer with an artist. You don&#039;t find that often in comics, a publisher willing to match an untested writer (who can, apparently, write a compelling proposal) with an artist (of any skill level).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that does make it easier to get published through Tokyopop&#8230; when their OEL line was getting launched and they were encouraging fans to send in submissions at San Diego, they expressed willingness to match a writer with an artist. You don&#8217;t find that often in comics, a publisher willing to match an untested writer (who can, apparently, write a compelling proposal) with an artist (of any skill level).</p>
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		<title>By: David Oakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Oakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess the real question is how TokyoPop&#039;s &quot;criteria&quot; differs from any other publisher&#039;s.  The cynical view is that TP is the &quot;Marvel of Manga&quot;, simply trying to flood the market with titles to dominate shelves, and hoping that maybe one of them will become the next &quot;Naruto&quot;, and they can make even more money licensing everything from pajamas to Happy Meals (TM).

But let&#039;s say that I offer my OEL to another company, say... Well, Marvel has it&#039;s own brand to pimp, Image requires it&#039;s own money, DC never seems to make up it&#039;s mind if it is creator friendly or a closed studio...  OK, maybe not the best parallel, but let&#039;s say I offer my BESMMDF (Big Eye Small Mouth Modern Dark Fantasy - &quot;It&#039;s XXXHolic meets Madame Xanadu meets Hellboy&quot;) to TP, Dark Horse, and Vertigo, all at the same 49% ownership (and no licensing?) of TP OEL.

So, who jumps first?  And who will refuse to touch it?  Is the &quot;quality&quot; threshold for OEL set too low?  Or is it too restrictive at the established publishers?  Who&#039;s being shortsighted, and who&#039;s being realistic?  (&quot;Visionary&quot; is reserved for the publisher that actually discovers The Next Naruto, and claims they knew it all along.)

And will I ever finish a proposal for &quot;Teen Vampires play GO!&quot; to find out...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the real question is how TokyoPop&#8217;s &#8220;criteria&#8221; differs from any other publisher&#8217;s.  The cynical view is that TP is the &#8220;Marvel of Manga&#8221;, simply trying to flood the market with titles to dominate shelves, and hoping that maybe one of them will become the next &#8220;Naruto&#8221;, and they can make even more money licensing everything from pajamas to Happy Meals (TM).</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s say that I offer my OEL to another company, say&#8230; Well, Marvel has it&#8217;s own brand to pimp, Image requires it&#8217;s own money, DC never seems to make up it&#8217;s mind if it is creator friendly or a closed studio&#8230;  OK, maybe not the best parallel, but let&#8217;s say I offer my BESMMDF (Big Eye Small Mouth Modern Dark Fantasy &#8211; &#8220;It&#8217;s XXXHolic meets Madame Xanadu meets Hellboy&#8221;) to TP, Dark Horse, and Vertigo, all at the same 49% ownership (and no licensing?) of TP OEL.</p>
<p>So, who jumps first?  And who will refuse to touch it?  Is the &#8220;quality&#8221; threshold for OEL set too low?  Or is it too restrictive at the established publishers?  Who&#8217;s being shortsighted, and who&#8217;s being realistic?  (&#8220;Visionary&#8221; is reserved for the publisher that actually discovers The Next Naruto, and claims they knew it all along.)</p>
<p>And will I ever finish a proposal for &#8220;Teen Vampires play GO!&#8221; to find out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know for me, I have way more stuff that I want to read  than I&#039;ll ever find myself able to get to. Sometimes something as simple as a creator seeming to be a jerk online can sway me towards trying something else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know for me, I have way more stuff that I want to read  than I&#8217;ll ever find myself able to get to. Sometimes something as simple as a creator seeming to be a jerk online can sway me towards trying something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36429</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s certainly easier to become a paid professional. If you meet Tokyopop&#039;s criteria and are selected by them, then that route seems easier than risking your own money and self-publishing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s certainly easier to become a paid professional. If you meet Tokyopop&#8217;s criteria and are selected by them, then that route seems easier than risking your own money and self-publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacPherson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36427</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna wrote:
&lt;i&gt;I think it&#039;s because the OEL creators are younger, and thus much more internet-connected and also somewhat less experienced in dealing with public reaction to their work.&lt;/i&gt;

This brings up an interesting question: Is it easier to break into comics by way of OEL manga than more traditional comics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna wrote:<br />
<i>I think it&#8217;s because the OEL creators are younger, and thus much more internet-connected and also somewhat less experienced in dealing with public reaction to their work.</i></p>
<p>This brings up an interesting question: Is it easier to break into comics by way of OEL manga than more traditional comics?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It can seem that way, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s accurate. I think it&#039;s because the OEL creators are younger, and thus much more internet-connected and also somewhat less experienced in dealing with public reaction to their work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can seem that way, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s accurate. I think it&#8217;s because the OEL creators are younger, and thus much more internet-connected and also somewhat less experienced in dealing with public reaction to their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tintin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tintin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By any chance, does it seem like the OEL crowd is particularly vehement towards critics (more than other types of comic authors?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By any chance, does it seem like the OEL crowd is particularly vehement towards critics (more than other types of comic authors?)</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gerhardt</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36389</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gerhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The biggest flaw with Simons&#039;s argument seems to be that just because the creator might have worked long and hard on a labour of love that it should be immune to any kind of critical scrutiny.&quot;

Okay, now, I&#039;ve been a launch editor for both Future Publishing and the BMG group in Germany, and every time a writer or the actual editor of the magazine I was launching for them came up with that kind of argument, I did a musical rendition of &quot;Nobody Cares&quot; to them.

The end product counts, not somebody&#039;s feelings, not the fact that they worked to the bones or missed their honey&#039;s birthday or worked through the weekend.

NOBODY cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The biggest flaw with Simons&#8217;s argument seems to be that just because the creator might have worked long and hard on a labour of love that it should be immune to any kind of critical scrutiny.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, now, I&#8217;ve been a launch editor for both Future Publishing and the BMG group in Germany, and every time a writer or the actual editor of the magazine I was launching for them came up with that kind of argument, I did a musical rendition of &#8220;Nobody Cares&#8221; to them.</p>
<p>The end product counts, not somebody&#8217;s feelings, not the fact that they worked to the bones or missed their honey&#8217;s birthday or worked through the weekend.</p>
<p>NOBODY cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36369</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don, heh. 

Lyle, my fault, I was conflating that with other pieces of the discussion held elsewhere. Thanks for clarifying that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, heh. </p>
<p>Lyle, my fault, I was conflating that with other pieces of the discussion held elsewhere. Thanks for clarifying that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see some confusion with the LJ friends list but, overall, it seems to me that Simmons misunderstood Kevin&#039;s point. When Kevin says, &quot;Your LiveJournal &#039;friends list&#039; does not necessarily reflect the taste of the general reading public&quot; I didn&#039;t think he was talking about public vs. private conversations but about mistaking the opionons of your friends as representative of the entire comic-reading audience. (To put it another way, it&#039;s like an author flaming the bad reviews of their book on Amazon, noting how everyone at the writer&#039;s fansite loves it.) 

So saying that statement conflicts with Kevin&#039;s statement about your public online persona being a part of the marketing for your book, misses the point.

BTW, I believe stuff on an LJ Friends&#039; list can be public or private (or a mix), so I could see where there may be some confusion... except it doesn&#039;t really play a role in the statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see some confusion with the LJ friends list but, overall, it seems to me that Simmons misunderstood Kevin&#8217;s point. When Kevin says, &#8220;Your LiveJournal &#8216;friends list&#8217; does not necessarily reflect the taste of the general reading public&#8221; I didn&#8217;t think he was talking about public vs. private conversations but about mistaking the opionons of your friends as representative of the entire comic-reading audience. (To put it another way, it&#8217;s like an author flaming the bad reviews of their book on Amazon, noting how everyone at the writer&#8217;s fansite loves it.) </p>
<p>So saying that statement conflicts with Kevin&#8217;s statement about your public online persona being a part of the marketing for your book, misses the point.</p>
<p>BTW, I believe stuff on an LJ Friends&#8217; list can be public or private (or a mix), so I could see where there may be some confusion&#8230; except it doesn&#8217;t really play a role in the statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacPherson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/17/simons-responds-to-critical-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-36356</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest flaw with Simons&#039;s argument seems to be that just because the creator might have worked long and hard on a labour of love that it should be immune to any kind of critical scrutiny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest flaw with Simons&#8217;s argument seems to be that just because the creator might have worked long and hard on a labour of love that it should be immune to any kind of critical scrutiny.</p>
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