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	<title>Comments on: Disappointing TV: Gilmore Girls, Studio 60</title>
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		<title>By: Nancy Drew &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Drew &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] making a modern teen movie, the creators opted for a culture clash subtext. Nancy goes from being Rory Gilmore, the most popular girl in her small town, to being a smart, accomplished, completely unpopular girl [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] making a modern teen movie, the creators opted for a culture clash subtext. Nancy goes from being Rory Gilmore, the most popular girl in her small town, to being a smart, accomplished, completely unpopular girl [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New Mavis Issue &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Mavis Issue &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Harper. I like her. Even cooler was that the character is specifically based on her portrayal in My Favorite Year, one of my favorite movies. [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] Harper. I like her. Even cooler was that the character is specifically based on her portrayal in My Favorite Year, one of my favorite movies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still following &lt;i&gt;Studio 60&lt;/i&gt;, too - even though every episode has at least one big moment that really tries my patience.  (Not sure I accepted Ed Asner&#039;s sudden abandonment of tough-nosed businessguy into anti-FCC windmill tilter in this week&#039;s episode, for instance.) The cast&#039;s the key: I&#039;m really loving, for instance, guest-star Mark McKinney&#039;s turn as the fried-out comedy writer . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still following <i>Studio 60</i>, too &#8211; even though every episode has at least one big moment that really tries my patience.  (Not sure I accepted Ed Asner&#8217;s sudden abandonment of tough-nosed businessguy into anti-FCC windmill tilter in this week&#8217;s episode, for instance.) The cast&#8217;s the key: I&#8217;m really loving, for instance, guest-star Mark McKinney&#8217;s turn as the fried-out comedy writer . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Lilliandp</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/12/03/disappointing-tv-gilmore-girls-studio-60/comment-page-1/#comment-38537</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilliandp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My high school did My Favorite Year as our annual musical when I was a senior. I played saxophone in the pit orchestra, and pretty much memorized the show, so the joke scene in Studio 60 struck me immediately as well. I didn&#039;t initially think MFY was such a well-known production that the poach was intentional, but now I&#039;m not so sure. Ironically, I found both scenes to be painfully un-funny. :-) 

&quot;Welcome to Brooklyn,&quot; on the other hand, still gets hummed every time I think of meatloaf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My high school did My Favorite Year as our annual musical when I was a senior. I played saxophone in the pit orchestra, and pretty much memorized the show, so the joke scene in Studio 60 struck me immediately as well. I didn&#8217;t initially think MFY was such a well-known production that the poach was intentional, but now I&#8217;m not so sure. Ironically, I found both scenes to be painfully un-funny. :-) </p>
<p>&#8220;Welcome to Brooklyn,&#8221; on the other hand, still gets hummed every time I think of meatloaf.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Moore Odell</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/12/03/disappointing-tv-gilmore-girls-studio-60/comment-page-1/#comment-38526</link>
		<dc:creator>Cole Moore Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I think the elopement is an example of Lorelai over-correcting out of a skid, and I&#039;m reasonably confident from the cues we&#039;ve seen that the show knows it. If this season is the Philadelphia Story that Luke oh so symbolically caught on TV a couple of shows back, then I imagine Luke is Cary Grant and Christopher is the callow John Howard character.

The new Rory/Marty/Logan storyline makes for an odd mirror of the Lorelai/Luke/Christopher plot, which is obviously intentional--if somewhat dispiriting, per Johanna&#039;s complaint about how the girls have reduced themselves. But at least it indicates to me that there&#039;s a plan at work.

Finally, when has &quot;money solves everything&quot; not been the point of the show? While there are usually strings attached, the cash fairies have been looking out for the girls since the pilot episode. L&amp;R have always played at disadvantage while eagerly tapping into the enormous wealth at their disposal (from family or the magic bank account of diner owner Luke Danes) whenever a need arises. I&#039;m not sure I agree with Bob G. that Lorelai has learned all that much about learning to accept help; she&#039;s always accepted it while denying its implications. It&#039;s actually one of the recognizably human character flaws that has kept the show interesting for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think the elopement is an example of Lorelai over-correcting out of a skid, and I&#8217;m reasonably confident from the cues we&#8217;ve seen that the show knows it. If this season is the Philadelphia Story that Luke oh so symbolically caught on TV a couple of shows back, then I imagine Luke is Cary Grant and Christopher is the callow John Howard character.</p>
<p>The new Rory/Marty/Logan storyline makes for an odd mirror of the Lorelai/Luke/Christopher plot, which is obviously intentional&#8211;if somewhat dispiriting, per Johanna&#8217;s complaint about how the girls have reduced themselves. But at least it indicates to me that there&#8217;s a plan at work.</p>
<p>Finally, when has &#8220;money solves everything&#8221; not been the point of the show? While there are usually strings attached, the cash fairies have been looking out for the girls since the pilot episode. L&amp;R have always played at disadvantage while eagerly tapping into the enormous wealth at their disposal (from family or the magic bank account of diner owner Luke Danes) whenever a need arises. I&#8217;m not sure I agree with Bob G. that Lorelai has learned all that much about learning to accept help; she&#8217;s always accepted it while denying its implications. It&#8217;s actually one of the recognizably human character flaws that has kept the show interesting for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Augie De Blieck Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augie De Blieck Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Cole - the first couple of shows this season worried me, but I think they&#039;ve really found their voice in the episodes since.  I think the show&#039;s improved greatly for it.

And Lorelai&#039;s reunion with Christopher has been anything but tension free.  She&#039;s stared scared into the camera more than once during this storyline.  It&#039;s on shaky ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Cole &#8211; the first couple of shows this season worried me, but I think they&#8217;ve really found their voice in the episodes since.  I think the show&#8217;s improved greatly for it.</p>
<p>And Lorelai&#8217;s reunion with Christopher has been anything but tension free.  She&#8217;s stared scared into the camera more than once during this storyline.  It&#8217;s on shaky ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Moore Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole Moore Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the writing on GG has been spotty this season. But I strongly suspect that the ultimate point of the Lorelai/Christopher marriage is to show Lorelai that the two of them are not actually meant for one another, and definitively clear the decks for the romance fans think they want. The show is starting to make the point obvious:

[spoilers]

The most recent episode demonstrated that Christopher is an ill fit with the rest of Stars Hollow. (In an example of the &quot;townsfolk creating a community&quot; Stars Hollow gets together for a benefit knit-athon to raise money for repairs to a local bridge; Chris inadvertently ruins their fun by donating all the money needed to fix the bridge.) The plot seems to be slowly moving toward a reconciliation between Lor and Luke, with his parenting of April designed to mature him. Basically, ithink the show runners put the marriage in the November sweeps period in order to end it by the Feb. sweep and put Luke and Lorelai on track for the series finale.

Unfortunately, the two episodes you deleted are the ones that most closely match the tone of previous seasons, for pacing and dialogue. It&#039;s actually awkward to see the characters almost get their old voices back--it only highlights the places where the writers wildly miss the mark.

While I agree that the show is diminished by defining the leads in terms of their men, the show pretty much crossed that bridge for good way back in season four.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the writing on GG has been spotty this season. But I strongly suspect that the ultimate point of the Lorelai/Christopher marriage is to show Lorelai that the two of them are not actually meant for one another, and definitively clear the decks for the romance fans think they want. The show is starting to make the point obvious:</p>
<p>[spoilers]</p>
<p>The most recent episode demonstrated that Christopher is an ill fit with the rest of Stars Hollow. (In an example of the &#8220;townsfolk creating a community&#8221; Stars Hollow gets together for a benefit knit-athon to raise money for repairs to a local bridge; Chris inadvertently ruins their fun by donating all the money needed to fix the bridge.) The plot seems to be slowly moving toward a reconciliation between Lor and Luke, with his parenting of April designed to mature him. Basically, ithink the show runners put the marriage in the November sweeps period in order to end it by the Feb. sweep and put Luke and Lorelai on track for the series finale.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the two episodes you deleted are the ones that most closely match the tone of previous seasons, for pacing and dialogue. It&#8217;s actually awkward to see the characters almost get their old voices back&#8211;it only highlights the places where the writers wildly miss the mark.</p>
<p>While I agree that the show is diminished by defining the leads in terms of their men, the show pretty much crossed that bridge for good way back in season four.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that link, Ali. Sadly, Ms Chenoweth strikes me as much more interesting than Harriet Hayes -- which is also how I feel about Jordan Deere and her inspiration Jamie Tarses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Ali. Sadly, Ms Chenoweth strikes me as much more interesting than Harriet Hayes &#8212; which is also how I feel about Jordan Deere and her inspiration Jamie Tarses.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it wasn&#039;t just the joke, but using the whole idea for the scene and the characterization that made me think this crossed the line. 

Ali: thanks, I&#039;ll check it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it wasn&#8217;t just the joke, but using the whole idea for the scene and the characterization that made me think this crossed the line. </p>
<p>Ali: thanks, I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t recall My Favorite Year, so to me the joke throughout the episode seemed new, and amusing.  An homage or tribute really should be immediately recognizable to most members of an audience, or that line has definitely been crossed.  Also, that joke ran throughout the entire episode, AND helped to establish a character, so it became a part of the property, not just a tribute.

An example from my own life:  I once added a Kenny of South Park doll to the background of one of my comic strips.  The doll had nothing to do with the strip&#039;s joke, and only mildly added to the depth of one of my characters.  The strip could stand alone without the Kenny doll, but most of my audience recognized it, and chuckled that one of my characters would actually own such a thing.

Now, I did not credit South Park, but as I mentioned, the strip did not require it, and at the time, the character was immediately recognizable.


It is important to mention, however, that although I believe this does cross the line, it would be up to a judge to decide if it was intentionable.  Many creators feel at one time or another that they have been ripped off.  However, it is quite possible for more than one person to come up with the same great idea quite independently.

Also, the writer may have seen My Favorite Year, forgotten it, and the joke rested in their subconscious until it suddenly surfaced as a &#039;great idea&#039;.


Of course, if the writer is publicly known as a fan of the movie, well, that&#039;s a boo boo.  Some mention of the movie should then have been made.

Cheers,    JOHN :0)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall My Favorite Year, so to me the joke throughout the episode seemed new, and amusing.  An homage or tribute really should be immediately recognizable to most members of an audience, or that line has definitely been crossed.  Also, that joke ran throughout the entire episode, AND helped to establish a character, so it became a part of the property, not just a tribute.</p>
<p>An example from my own life:  I once added a Kenny of South Park doll to the background of one of my comic strips.  The doll had nothing to do with the strip&#8217;s joke, and only mildly added to the depth of one of my characters.  The strip could stand alone without the Kenny doll, but most of my audience recognized it, and chuckled that one of my characters would actually own such a thing.</p>
<p>Now, I did not credit South Park, but as I mentioned, the strip did not require it, and at the time, the character was immediately recognizable.</p>
<p>It is important to mention, however, that although I believe this does cross the line, it would be up to a judge to decide if it was intentionable.  Many creators feel at one time or another that they have been ripped off.  However, it is quite possible for more than one person to come up with the same great idea quite independently.</p>
<p>Also, the writer may have seen My Favorite Year, forgotten it, and the joke rested in their subconscious until it suddenly surfaced as a &#8216;great idea&#8217;.</p>
<p>Of course, if the writer is publicly known as a fan of the movie, well, that&#8217;s a boo boo.  Some mention of the movie should then have been made.</p>
<p>Cheers,    JOHN :0)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I were Kristin Chenoweth, I&#039;d be beating the crap out of Sorkin right now, because Harriet is practically slander IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were Kristin Chenoweth, I&#8217;d be beating the crap out of Sorkin right now, because Harriet is practically slander IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg McElhatton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg McElhatton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that Gilmore Girls&#039;s slide actually began last year while the Sherman-Palladinos were still around (and that tossing them unfortunately didn&#039;t fix things one way or the other), but other than that, I agree 100%--I gave up a couple of weeks ago as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that Gilmore Girls&#8217;s slide actually began last year while the Sherman-Palladinos were still around (and that tossing them unfortunately didn&#8217;t fix things one way or the other), but other than that, I agree 100%&#8211;I gave up a couple of weeks ago as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Kokmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali Kokmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johanna:

Speaking of Studio 60 and Sarah Paulson&#039;s character Harriet Hayes, of perhaps interest is today&#039;s New York Times which has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/theater/03Gree.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;profile&lt;/a&gt; of Kristin Chenoweth, who used to date Aaron Sorkin and on whom and whose experiences (promoting an album on the 700 Club; being disinvited from a Women of Faith conference for being pro-gay rights; an FHM pictorial, etc.) he based the Harriet Hayes&#039; character.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna:</p>
<p>Speaking of Studio 60 and Sarah Paulson&#8217;s character Harriet Hayes, of perhaps interest is today&#8217;s New York Times which has a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/theater/03Gree.html" rel="nofollow">profile</a> of Kristin Chenoweth, who used to date Aaron Sorkin and on whom and whose experiences (promoting an album on the 700 Club; being disinvited from a Women of Faith conference for being pro-gay rights; an FHM pictorial, etc.) he based the Harriet Hayes&#8217; character.</p>
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		<title>By: James Moar</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Moar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a Buffy episode (&#039;Restless&#039;) which has Anya messing up the same joke.

I think a quote that&#039;s intended to be recognised is likely fair enough, even without overt attribution (though that leaves questions of how large and close a quote is permissible), it&#039;s borrowed material that you&#039;re not supposed to spot that seems worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a Buffy episode (&#8216;Restless&#8217;) which has Anya messing up the same joke.</p>
<p>I think a quote that&#8217;s intended to be recognised is likely fair enough, even without overt attribution (though that leaves questions of how large and close a quote is permissible), it&#8217;s borrowed material that you&#8217;re not supposed to spot that seems worse.</p>
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