Batgirl’s Creepy

Batgirl picture

I agree with Kalinara: I don’t like Batgirl. The creepy silent one, we’re talking about. I mean, look at her, she looks like an ant! All giant head and stick neck and shiny black carapace, I mean costume.

Here’s a very small part of Kalinara’s analysis:

It’s such a cliche. Someone raised to be a killer, but somehow managing to be so pure that she only did it once. When she couldn’t possibly be blamed? And then immediately left? Because she was so good at heart, she couldn’t take it? Oh, brother.

I really like Kalinara’s answer to most of the character’s traits: “Of course she is.” It does a wonderful job of acknowledging how by-the-numbers creation can be in corporate comics, resulting in a collection of fan-targeted hooks instead of a three-dimensional character.

DC's Batgirl picture

And she doesn’t even get into what I find most annoying about the character, the disturbingly sexist symbolism of the stitched-shut mouth. Gotta keep the girls silent! And implied violence to a sex-related body part is only a bonus.

The first commenter at Kalinara’s site promptly takes it all too personally and misses the point. (I hope she doesn’t read this.)

While looking for images for this post, I went out to DC’s official character profile (link no longer available), and I was stunned to see what picture they’d picked (see right).

The bulbous insect head is still there, and now her mouth is revealed, but bloodied. Also visible are her breasts, as her costume has conveniently been ripped open to show cleavage. Why would you choose an image of your so-called hero looking like a battering victim to illustrate an encyclopedia-style entry? And when did Batgirl have the time to get the perfectly round implants? (I do think the bent tipped ear point is kind of cute in a totally inappropriate way. Reminds me of Bat-Mite.)


46 Responses to “Batgirl’s Creepy”

  1. Ian Brill Says:

    Batgirl and Supergirl are properties with a ton of potential. I’m all for updating characters but I lament that both these character’s updates don’t have the vision to go past mainstream DC Universe drama. The Barbara Gordon Batgirl is getting the All-Star treatment with Geoff Johns and J.G. Jones as the talent so there’s that. I don’t know what DC plans to do with Supergirl but I like Loren’s suggestion.

  2. jlg Says:

    Is the stitched-up mask, though, more of an attempt to make her aggressive and scary? If Batman is supposed to strike fear into criminals with his costume, then it could be argued so does Batgirl’s with the mask. It would fit in with her as a mysterious, silent, no-nonsense fighter.

    It kind of reminds me of trying to go for something like the design of Capcom’s Akira Kazama, except not so androgynous, which is probably why problems like with the second picture crop up. “Battle damage” is always emblematic and emblazoning for male action heroes, and I think that picture wants to show Batgirl as a badass like that. The impression that she’s tough, aggressive, and determined. But, yeah, also trying to go for fanservice with that convenient rip ruins that.

  3. david brothers Says:

    It’s worth noting that the stitched-up mask started out on Helena Bertinelli, Huntress, when she was masquerading as Batgirl/woman (I forget her in-story name) during No Man’s Land. Huntress was trading on the brand name recognition of The Bat to try and keep order in Gotham, at least until Batman came back, told her off, and allowed Cass to be the new Batgirl.

    I think I’ve said this on Kalinara’s blog before, but I had no idea that Batgirl’s costume was some kind of creepy fetish thing before I got onto the comics-related internet. I thought it was creepy in an inhuman, fear-inducing sort of way, but nothing sexual.

  4. Johanna Says:

    JLG, I think of the stitching as a symbol reflective of the character, inward-facing not outward-facing (as your “makes her looks scary” would have it), but I can’t particularly justify that interpretation.

    David, I knew someone would mention the history of fighting disease and so covering the mouth. Thank you for filling in the details I’d forgotten.

    I’ve never found that in-story rationalization compelling because of the messy nature of the way the stitches are drawn. And I don’t talk about the modern Huntress because it makes me froth. :)

  5. S Says:

    All the best in your comical pursue~ :)

  6. elias A Says:

    First, you don’t seem up to date: In the Robin series during the One year later event, Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) was turned into a villain and started killing again, so you should be satisfied.

    However, I am one of the Batgirl-fans protesting against this development, and I will try to explain what the appeal of this character was.

    First, she was very rarely drawn in a “sexy” way, this picture being one of the few exceptions. And the theory that the mask covering her mouth means “girls should stay silent” – well, in her series she was mostly working alone, having to learn to make difficult moral decisions as a crime fighter all by herself.
    She was talking more and more during her series, and became a strong, independent person, especially when she left Gotham city and got her own city to defend (Bludhaven).
    Also her mentor was a competent, independent woman: Barbara Gordon (Oracle).
    So I cannot really see anything discriminating to women, but I am a guy, so I may be not very competent concerning this issue.

    Remember: the first Batgirl had high heels and long hair to show she was female – is that what you consider respectful to women?

    I was at once interested in this new Batgirl because she was so different from the old one: No more rediculous costume, but a mysterious, efficient one.

    It may not be very realistic that she understood that killing was wrong despite her education – but this is comics, remember?

    The appeal of the character was that she knew next to nothing about normal life, was tormented by guilt and a death-wish – her story was not so much about fighting villains but about finding her place in a strange world. When she found small moments of happiness in unusual places it made the reader look at everyday live in a new, poetic way.

    What I want to say:
    It is OK if you don’t like this character. But a lot of people did, and with good reason, I claim.

    Anyway, as I said, your side seems to have won, since DC has turned her into a evil killer now.

  7. Johanna Says:

    Elias, there aren’t any “sides” involved here. I think the character is a terrible idea, but if other people liked reading about her, great. This wasn’t a campaign or anything that could be “won”, at least from my perspective. (I know the poll suggests otherwise, but that’s just me wanting to play with a new blog gadget.)

    I think turning her into a villain, especially with such specious motivation, is also a terrible idea. It’s certainly not satisfying for me, because until I read Kalinara’s essay, I hadn’t spent any time thinking about her in years. Now that you’ve made me aware of it, it disturbs me in what it indicates about the thinking of those creators currently controlling the DCU.

    I do appreciate you sharing the basis for your like of the character. I enjoy reading alternate viewpoints like this one. And yeah, the first Batgirl wasn’t a good character for women either, especially in the stories where she was distracted by a run in her stockings or fought crime with her purse.

  8. elias A Says:

    Yeah, sorry, I guess I was to harsh.

    I just wanted to express some of my anger, because Batgirl is really one of my favourite characters, and I hated what was done to her recently.

    But you are right, I should not have accused you of something you did not say, sorry.

    I did not read the link before I wrote my post, the discussion there sounds quite interesting and thoughtful and already adressed some of my points.

    The quote here just sounded to me “it’s rediculous she stopped after just one kill”, so I assumed you prefered her starting killing again. But if you say that was not your point, that’s fine! :)

  9. Lisa Jonte Says:

    I know it’s supposed to be her right bicep in that second picture, but it looks like she’s got a third breast.

  10. caleb Says:

    Wow, was I surprised to read all that here.

    I admit I never gave the stitched up mouth much thought; Cassandra Cain was mute upon introduction (and still just learning to speak when her series was cancelled), and I assumed it was just another example of a superhero costume reflecting the superhero’s nature.

    Damion Scott does draw her as a bug; which I liked–visually, she was part Spider-Man and part Batman.

    Don’t over-focus on the mouth though. How many female superheroes are there who are completely covered, head-to-toe? Compare her to Batwoman, who’s lipstick and long, flowing hair are always exposed.

    I really liked Cassandra Cain as a hero for how different she was from every other DC hero with her own title. She was THE toughest fighter in the DCU, she was illiterate, socially awkward and, for the most part, her title was cheesecake-free. She was the anti-Supergirl.

    Now, of course, she’s just another sexy dragon lady, damn you One Year Later!

  11. Amy K Ganter Says:

    Lisa Jonte, Kazu and I TOTALLY thought that was her breast! It’s like I’m looking at a completely different picture now!

    And for some reason, that drawing reminds me of Chun-Li from Street Fighter… but I think Chun-Li’s cooler.

  12. Nat Gertler Says:

    I think the question of good character/bad character becomes somewhat moot once the character has been used. There are things which seem to be good characters which no one has ever done much with… and then there’s Batgirl, who made for some good comics while Kelley Puckett was writing her, I felt.

  13. Lisa Jonte Says:

    Amy, at first I just couldn’t figure out what I was looking at, but I knew it just didn’t look right. In the end, I had to copy the pic and enlarge it on my desktop to figure out what was going on.

    That is some baaaaad artwork there.

  14. Alan Coil Says:

    elias A said:
    “Remember: the first Batgirl had high heels and long hair to show she was female – is that what you consider respectful to women?”

    No, but it was a different era. It was 40 years ago. Doesn’t make it right, but the 60s were when the fight for Women’s rights was becoming better known.

    Johanna said:
    “the first Batgirl wasn’t a good character for women either, especially in the stories where she was distracted by a run in her stockings…”

    I remember that story. Batgirl deliberately caused her stocking to run in order to distract the bad guys. No further comment, ’cause I don’t like the taste of my foot.

  15. James Schee Says:

    When I first saw the current Batgirl all I could think was someone must have been a REALLY big fan of Snake-eyes from G.I. Joe.

    Same basic costume scheme, and behavior was similiar. (mute fighter that couldn’t be beat) I kept waiting for her long lost sister to show up dressed in white.

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  17. kalinara Says:

    I do think there’s a bit of a difference between a young woman wearing an impractical costume by way of high heels and long hair and an *underage* girl wearing an admittedly more practical costume that closely resembles fetish gear.

    I’m not going to claim that the heels and hair were particularly feminist, but as a fashion statement, I find them an easier to swallow eccentricity than Cassandra’s costume.

    (I admit, I wouldn’t feel so strongly about this if Cassandra were an adult woman in the costume.)

  18. caleb Says:

    Kalinara,

    Re: Your underage vs. woman point. You’ve got a point there. If it’s any consolation, Cassandra was 17 during her own series, and is now 18. She’s still less creepily dressed than the new Supergirl though. And Dick Grayson as Robin. And Aqualad. And the new Speedy. And Argent. DC doesn’t really ever stop to think about what they’re dressing their teenagers like, it seems.

    If she had no mouth in her costume (like Spider-Man’s mask), would that take the creepy bondage-ness out of the equation, do you think?

    Alternately, in her last story arc, Shiva broke the lenses of her mask and tore out the mouth part, so she was wearing a Batman-like mask. That makes her look less bondage-y, but it also makes her look less androgynous (you could see her eyelashes and lips).

  19. Sarah Says:

    While I always hated the stitched-shut mouth, I think if you read the early Batgirl (Puckett & co.) run (I’m assuming you haven’t because you didn’t mention that you did), you might view the character in a more kindly light. She’s an actually rather sweet teenage girl trying to make her way and do the right thing in a totally alien world, with mentors (Bruce, Barbara) who aren’t exactly the most normal themselves.

    Or, that is, she was. Now she’s had some kind of horrifying dragon-lady makeover that I can’t even stand to think about.

  20. Dean Trippe Says:

    Agreed on all points, though I will say the two things that bother me most are these:

    First, the writers couldn’t keep with their decision to create a silent character, which while possibly indicating latent(ish) sexist feelings, was an interesting character trait. Removing it took away the one thing that made her different, special, even if it seemed like a handicap. I liked the enigmatic quality.

    Secondly, turning her into a villain recently was more offensive than all of the other stuff, imo. She needs a serious redemption story and a Project Rooftop overhaul ASAP.

  21. Colleen Says:

    I never thought the Cassandra idea was a good one -along with Spoiler it seemed like Bruce was getting just a little too close to teenage girls for awhile. And as for the costume – either the artists knew it was icky for a young girl and didn’t care or never realized it. I’m not sure which is worse.

    I am surprised not to see anyone comment on the latest Batgirl – the Paris Hilton wannabe who showed up in issue #98-99 of Birds of Prey. What was that all about? She somehow managed to break into Oracle’s inner sanctum (something Barbara noted even the Martian Manhunter could not do) and then went to work beating her up – until Oracle somehow knocked her down and then “Batgirl” starts chatting and surfing her My Space page (I am not kidding) while Oracle shows her pictures of Spoiler laying on a morgue slab to scare her off of being a superhero. Barbara also calls up the image of Cassandra – this new girl “does not deserve to follow in their footsteps.”

    And then the teeny bopper goes off out the window saying she won’t be Batgirl but will still be a superhero.

    The whole thing was beyond bizarre and just another example of yet another teenage girl with mysterious and amazing abilities showing up in the Bat universe out of nowhere. (At least Cassandra had some kind of backstory.) Whether you like Cassandra or not, it seemed a bit too early to have another girl don the cape and to choose such a vapid character (she has fantasies of Batman and Superman kneeling at her feet), well, the whole thing was enough for me to stop my sub to BOP. (And I’ve been with it from the beginning.) It was just too ludicrous to believe. (And don’t even get me started on the backstory of Black Canary hanging up the tights to be a full time mother to her newly adopted little trained assassin. Because of course, you can’t save the world and raise a child at the same time.)

    I don’t know what the subtle undercurrent is about women in the Bat universe lately – Spoiler gets brutalized and murdered, Leslie Thompkins very nicely ends up becoming a zealous nutcase, Cassandra has to hang up her fetish gear and penchant for saving others so she can kill people and Black Canary decides to be a mom. Nothing wrong with being a mom, but why now? And then the ninny Batgirl shows up for no reason I can discern other than to make Barbara look weak yet again.

    Am I the only one seeing a trend here?

  22. myk Says:

    Sometimes I wish I was still reading superhero books, so I could join in on this conversation. I wasn´t even aware there was a Batgirl book being published right now…

  23. Johanna Says:

    Sarah, I did read the book back at the beginning, but I didn’t like it then, either. Here are very old reviews from me of Batgirl #2 and Batgirl #3.

    Dean, silent characters are difficult to handle long term (I’m reminded of how Jericho was killed off) because few artists are capable of portraying them successfully on the monthly comic art grind. It takes skill and work to get across their emotions and motivations, and month after month, that becomes too much of a challenge for many.

    Colleen, I hope that that new Birds of Prey character is a satire of Mary Sue-ism. Because otherwise, yeah, not a good idea. But as a standin for fanficcers and wannabes… it’s kind of funny.

    I really disliked that Black Canary “I can’t keep my job and calling because I’m a mom now” decision. Much too retrograde for me. It wouldn’t have seemed so bad with any counterexamples in the universe, but as it is… eck.

    And the message is, as always, superhero comics aren’t for girls. Another example of working to keep them out of the clubhouse.

  24. David Oakes Says:

    Jack Knight gave up being Starman to be a Dad.

    (And Canary simply walked next door to Metzler’s new League. I wonder if she even has a daughter there.)

  25. Teresa Says:

    I totally agree with you. I usually love the bat family and I usually love creepy but Batgirl is just too creepy.

  26. Nat Gertler Says:

    When we get into discussion of “underage” versus “young woman”, then we end up mixing legal and biological distinctions (and fuzzy ones within each category).

  27. jlg Says:

    Concerning Black Canary, it’s not like there aren’t any superhero mothers – Kate Spencer seemed to manage it, and Pantha eventually warmed up to adopt Baby Wildebeest with Red Star. Then again, Manhunter was cancelled and Pantha was decapitated in front of her kid. So I guess that message does still stand.

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  32. Charles RB Says:

    “Why would you choose an image of your so-called hero looking like a battering victim to illustrate an encyclopedia-style entry?”

    The image shows she’s taken a severe beating but still refuses to back down & has been hitting back hard. Why not use to illustrate an encylopedia-style entry for the character? She’s meant to be a hardcore fighter after all, that pic seems to sum that up.

  33. Johanna Says:

    The problem is, it’s so different from what other, male characters get for Who’s Who-type entries. They get the equivalent of glamour shots, portraits showing how powerful and whole they are. No one would run a picture of Superman nearly beaten to death as his identifying image. For one practical reason, it means you can’t use it as costume or art reference.

  34. ChthonicSpirit Says:

    I hate coming into these things so late, but here goes.

    Yes, you could argue that Cass’ costume is fetishistic. I mean, doing so would ignore the fact that her costume is actually a highly practical one, and that there was a serious reason behind the mask-stitching, and that at some level all superhero costumes are allegedly fetishes.

    Yes, her costume could be construed as fetishized. So could Wonder Woman’s. So could Starfire’s. Black Canary, for her part, has spent the majority of her career dressed like a prostitute. Is this a problem? ‘Fetishistic’, sexualized’, and ‘exploitative’ have different meanings. The first two are not necessarily problems, if unaccompanied by the third.

    Basically, I think some of you are not getting past ‘OMG icky costume’. And once past that point, there is a lot to see.

    The character profile pic . . . I’m not going to make any attempt to defend that. DC mistreating it’s female characters? In other news, the sky is blue, and water is wet. I will say, though, that her own series was never like that.

  35. Johanna Says:

    “All the other women have stupid, sexualized costumes too” isn’t a counter-argument; it demonstrates that this is part of a bigger problem.

  36. ChthonicSpirit Says:

    Actually, Batgirl’s costume ranks among the least ‘stupid and sexualized’ costumes in DC. It’s right up there with Kate Spencer’s costume from Manhunter in terms of practicality.

  37. DrBat Says:

    That image was taken from the cover to #25, where she battled Lady Shiva, which the title had been leading up to since #8. I’m guessing she appeared battle-ravaged on that cover to show the seriousness, or the importance, of the battle.

    That website was basically made as a little advertisement when #25 came out. It wasn’t an encylopedia-type thing.

    Concerning BoP;
    1) The writer, Gail Simone, is a woman.
    2) Black Canary left the title because the JLA writer wanted to use her. Simone has said she would like to bring her back sometime in the future.

  38. Lisa Jonte Says:

    “Concerning BoP … The writer, Gail Simone, is a woman.”

    Meaning…?

  39. Gail Says:

    I think Black Canary giving up her life’s work to be a mom is a pretty serious misread, but even if it were 100% correct, I still think it’s a story, and a character, not a representation of any agenda. The Boppers are shown over and over again to make errors in judgment.

    Just tossing that in. I’m not fond of that Batgirl illustration, either, although I’ve warmed to the character considerably over the past couple years. For me, it’s hard to think of Batgirl as anything but Barbara.

    As for Misfit…she’s a little odd.

    Gail

  40. ChthonicSpirit Says:

    Might make a general statement on the relationship between writer, comic and audience? When a comic book leaves the rack and enters the hands of the reader, they are thereafter entitled to any interpretation they like, provided said interpretation is grounded in and based on the words and events on the page.

    Now, this is what Dinah said when she left the BOP:

    “I have a choice here. To be something I thought I never could be. Something a little bit like a mother.”

    It seems fair to say that the choice she speaks of is a choice between fighting crime and raising Sin.

  41. Charles RB Says:

    “For me, it’s hard to think of Batgirl as anything but Barbara.”

    It’s the other way round for me – I find it hard to think of Barbara as anything but Oracle, since she’s been Oracle for most of my life.

  42. DrBat Says:

    Again, Gail had to make Canary leave the title because she was going to be used in Meltzer’s run.

    And Colleen, I think the whole thing with Misfit was meant to be humorous, and you’re looking way too far into it if you’re going to drop a great series because of it.

    This is what Gail said on her Black Canary storyline:
    “It’s interesting, but if you read BoP from my very first issue to issue #99, you’ll see it’s very clearly a huge, single Black Canary story (with lots of little side bits along the way). Essentially, Black Canary was sort of a weak sister, a little bit, not from what Chuck had done, but other DCU writers. There’s this one panel that seemed to show up over and over again, Green Arrow being righteously angry at someone, being fun and entertaining, while Black Canary places one hand on his arm or shoulder to calm him down. I used to refer to that portrayal as Dinah being a professional wet blanket.

    I really got sick of seeing it. What it was saying was that she was only interesting as Green Arrow’s Jiminy Cricket, or as a hostage, and I thought that was a tremendous waste of a great character.

    Sometimes you have to pull these characters apart to their elements, and strip some of the crud that’s accumulated, to remind everyone of what lies underneath.

    So we started (too much yelling from Black Canary fans) by putting her at almost her lowest point ever…beaten, legs broken, and four issues of being handcuffed to a bed. I think the fact that despite all that, she was still the one in control, that’s what makes her great.

    And that incident had her thinking, why the hell does this happen to me, and not so much, say, Green Arrow? So the mega-story has been her search to become as good, as dangerously skilled, as she possibly can be.

    But in the end, she hits a moral and ethical wall…she gets to the point where if she takes one more step, she goes down a path where she stops being Dinah and becomes a little more like the tortured martial artists at the top of that chain; Batman, Shiva, Richard Dragon, etc. No one seems to top that pyramid and keep their full self intact.

    So Dinah says, enough, this is enough, and I get to stay myself. I don’t need to be a cold-eyed terror. Early on in our run, she has a dream that she’ll go that route, and become the Witch Canary…that was her moment of clarity and caution. That’s not a life she wants. Sounds a bit Doctor Phil, until you realize the path is nothing but broken bones and cracked skulls along the way.

    That was the Black Canary story I wanted to tell, and thank goodness I was given the room to do it.

    That said, Canary is still a big part of the heart of BoP and I would hope her leaving isn’t permanent. I don’t care for her as just another superhero among hundreds.”

  43. Johanna Says:

    It’s a shame when a writer with more weight to throw around interrupts storylines to grab characters. I didn’t like it when Byrne did it to Donna Troy (being used in Green Lantern at the time) either. And if the BOP story has her semi-retiring to be a mom, I have to wonder how Meltzer plans on treating the character. Is that what he requested, or will he reverse that? Behind-the-scenes stuff we may never know.

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  45. Kais86 Says:

    Batgirl’s mask is designed like that for practicality, it looks poorly stitched up because Helena Bertineli (Huntress) can’t sew worth a damn (real sexist, those women who can’t sew worth a damn). I would also like to point out that Batgirl’s costume is all function, the form part comes from the artist’s interpretation of the costume, even lampshaded by Batman when he tried carrying a piece of Ferak home.

    Comic books are almost universally targeting men, even so all superheroes, male and female dress ridiculously, with very few exceptions and most of those characters can be carefully ignored, because they are crappy characters by any standard. Take one quick look at Superman’s costume, not his bright, red, undies which so thoroughly show his massive…erm…. crap I worked myself into a corner on this one. Comics would be less successful if all the characters looked like normal people, let alone if they were barrels of ugly, due to scarring and just not being very attractive, which is generally associated with constantly fighting people, who are trying to kill you, with non-lethal force.

    As for her appearance, that is because of the artist, depending on who is drawing her she can be reasonably built or kinda freakish looking, but given the absolute truth that muscle is way smaller than fat, and she has only the minimum amount of that for a healthy person, it is understandable that she look a little disproportionate, I would also like to point out that her proportions are more accurate than say Wonder Woman’s are, I’m not even going near anything Robert Liefeld has done. Now as for her story, how many other characters have a similar background, as a huge comic nerd who knows bigger comic nerds none of us came up with any names, and I see you didn’t either. Once again Males are also as disproportionate, look at any male superhero, few exceptions here as well Spiderman comes to mind, and try finding a normal person who can match their build, good luck. This should help: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2555/batgirl27122ev3.jpg <- drawn by someone trying to make her look like a reasonably proportioned human being

    I have a question: when trying to stab a person in the heart, while they are facing you, they manage to avoid the attack, but just barely, where do you think the hole in their clothing would be? Answer that and you will understand the hole showing the “massively egregious cleavage” (she is still showing off less than Power Girl and Wonder Woman are). Think about it she is fighting one of the top 5 assassins on earth, she is going to take a hit to the chest at least once, and it’s probably going to cleave clean through her costume.

    Batgirl’s silence is related to her background as well, once again you failed to do the research, take note that for the first 17.5 years of her life her (she “should” be like 20 by now, yet just got adopted by Bruce Wayne)only language was body language, no reading, no writing, no talking, just fighting (which mind you she is the best non-powered combatant in the DC universe). She has been gradually working through this, she can now talk (thanks to a psychic who didn’t know what he was doing) and can at least operate a computer, which one would assume would mean she can read and write. Think of it as if she were merely a stoic, as many of the Batman family are. They don’t really explore this until Batgirl #4-#5.

    Beechen claims that his making Batgirl a villain was an edict from above, no one was happy, except the jerk who made that decision, maybe. Suffice to say all the fanboys got up in arms, me? I (read:fanboy) just dropped almost all of my comics. I naturally picked up the Batgirl mini-series in hopes that they would apologize for replacing the character with something else for a year. I’m not 100% satisfied either, Beechen is not treating Cassie the way she deserves to be treated.

    My only suggestion is that you actually research something thoroughly BEFORE posting your opinion of it on the internet, because if you don’t you will usually wind up gnawing on your foot.

  46. Blues Says:

    This fetish gear thing is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly also didn’t think it was anything fetishtic. Heck, I didn’t even notice the stiches in the mask really. That was my problem but reading into the stiches is retarded. The obvious thing they were going for was “this child never learned to speak”. It was a point they were hammering.

    and the way they did get her to speak was lame. she should have learn much more gradually than she did but whatever.

    The whole “her heart was so pure” thing is also completely wrong. I think it was pretty interesting what they did there. For one thing, Cain mostly taught her to fight to kill but she never killed anything. Her superhuman(the extent is)nature she can read people is what caused her to run away. She did not decide to become a hero from that event. just that she didn’t want to continue killing people, because she could read the agony she made that man feel in a superhuman way. This is similar to what they do to Superman whenever he goes to a hell dimension.

    I’m not a fan of anything they’ve done with the character. Including billing her as the toughest fighter ever. Because that’s not how it should work in fiction, and they had already established someone as the best, and knocked him down twice, just for the sake of new characters(like what they did with Xavier too). But I do think she has potential, and people are reading into the mask stitching, really ridiculous things. I’ve seen stupid gimmicks on male too, Look at Onomatopia, what sexist remarks can you gleam from that? There isn’t, and you drew one from a girl character because she’s a girl.




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