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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Meth vs. Deppey. Fight!</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-48106</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Meth vs. Deppey. Fight!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to protect them against lawsuits like the current one, so beware of giving any money to their newly erected defense fund: Of course, the comic book industry sometimes functions outside of common sense and standard [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] to protect them against lawsuits like the current one, so beware of giving any money to their newly erected defense fund: Of course, the comic book industry sometimes functions outside of common sense and standard [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47406</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An opinion column that purports to be based on research still should be held to certain standards. You&#039;re missing the point. 

And what&#039;s wrong with pornography? I read some of it, I&#039;ve reviewed some of it. That question tells me more about your biases than I think you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An opinion column that purports to be based on research still should be held to certain standards. You&#8217;re missing the point. </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s wrong with pornography? I read some of it, I&#8217;ve reviewed some of it. That question tells me more about your biases than I think you know.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47351</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meth wrote an opinion column. He did not write an investigative article nor a newspaper article. An opinion column does not necessitate contact with parties on both sides of the argument.

Johanna--why are you defending a pornographer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meth wrote an opinion column. He did not write an investigative article nor a newspaper article. An opinion column does not necessitate contact with parties on both sides of the argument.</p>
<p>Johanna&#8211;why are you defending a pornographer?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47308</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://tcj.com/journalista/?p=304&quot;&gt;link you mention&lt;/a&gt;; it&#039;s under the Comic Industry section.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://tcj.com/journalista/?p=304">link you mention</a>; it&#8217;s under the Comic Industry section.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Anderson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47301</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Johanna on this one. Labelling something as opinion doesn&#039;t excuse you from doing some basic reporting. Plus, Meth seems to blur the news/opinion lines right off the bat when he says: &quot;Fact #1: It is highly unlikely that a company the size of Fantagraphics isn&#039;t covered by a standard publishers insurance policy for lawsuits precisely like the one they now find themselves entangled in with author Harlan Ellison.&quot; On what planet is that a fact? It&#039;s a supposition.
If this had been speculation on Meth&#039;s personal blog, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d have as much of a problem with it, but given that Meth is writing for a new comic Web site (albeit one that so far amounts to a healthy group blog), I&#039;d think they might want to hold to some standards of journalism. Is there any editorial oversight at ComicMix? It&#039;s a red flag, as Johanna notes, to call other publishers but not the one in question. Why beat around the bush? Just go to the source. (And I think it&#039;s highly unlikely Meth called Fantagraphics; there&#039;d be no reason not to mention such a call in the column, unless, of course, the answer he got didn&#039;t fit his agenda.)

I thought he raised an interesting issue, though, so I went ahead and e-mailed Dirk Deppey at Fantagraphics to ask if the company had insurance to cover any damages from the Ellison lawsuit, and he directed me to a link where Gary Groth addressed the issue. And I (partially) quote:

&quot;...our legal expenses are being paid for neither by an insurance company nor by a &quot;secret financial angel.&quot; There is no insurance company; there is no financial angel. We are paying --and have paid-- all our legal expenses ourselves. Just to be entirely clear and incredibly redundant: We have to this date paid 100% of our legal expenses without any help from an insurance company or any &quot;secret financial angel. ...&quot;&quot;

Even if Meth didn&#039;t believe Groth, at least mentioning this response (or the one he got from calling him up, if he&#039;d done so) would have made for a much better column. He could&#039;ve gone into why he didn&#039;t believe Groth&#039;s answer and tried to back that up. I still might&#039;ve found his argument dubious, but maybe he would&#039;ve convinced me. As it is, he&#039;s only convinced me to view any of his future writings at ComicMix (or elsewhere) with a grain of salt.

Also, worth noting: Deppey addresses the column in today&#039;s Journalista. If I wasn&#039;t Web-impaired, I&#039;d give you a link, but I am Web stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Johanna on this one. Labelling something as opinion doesn&#8217;t excuse you from doing some basic reporting. Plus, Meth seems to blur the news/opinion lines right off the bat when he says: &#8220;Fact #1: It is highly unlikely that a company the size of Fantagraphics isn&#8217;t covered by a standard publishers insurance policy for lawsuits precisely like the one they now find themselves entangled in with author Harlan Ellison.&#8221; On what planet is that a fact? It&#8217;s a supposition.<br />
If this had been speculation on Meth&#8217;s personal blog, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d have as much of a problem with it, but given that Meth is writing for a new comic Web site (albeit one that so far amounts to a healthy group blog), I&#8217;d think they might want to hold to some standards of journalism. Is there any editorial oversight at ComicMix? It&#8217;s a red flag, as Johanna notes, to call other publishers but not the one in question. Why beat around the bush? Just go to the source. (And I think it&#8217;s highly unlikely Meth called Fantagraphics; there&#8217;d be no reason not to mention such a call in the column, unless, of course, the answer he got didn&#8217;t fit his agenda.)</p>
<p>I thought he raised an interesting issue, though, so I went ahead and e-mailed Dirk Deppey at Fantagraphics to ask if the company had insurance to cover any damages from the Ellison lawsuit, and he directed me to a link where Gary Groth addressed the issue. And I (partially) quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;our legal expenses are being paid for neither by an insurance company nor by a &#8220;secret financial angel.&#8221; There is no insurance company; there is no financial angel. We are paying &#8211;and have paid&#8211; all our legal expenses ourselves. Just to be entirely clear and incredibly redundant: We have to this date paid 100% of our legal expenses without any help from an insurance company or any &#8220;secret financial angel. &#8230;&#8221;"</p>
<p>Even if Meth didn&#8217;t believe Groth, at least mentioning this response (or the one he got from calling him up, if he&#8217;d done so) would have made for a much better column. He could&#8217;ve gone into why he didn&#8217;t believe Groth&#8217;s answer and tried to back that up. I still might&#8217;ve found his argument dubious, but maybe he would&#8217;ve convinced me. As it is, he&#8217;s only convinced me to view any of his future writings at ComicMix (or elsewhere) with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>Also, worth noting: Deppey addresses the column in today&#8217;s Journalista. If I wasn&#8217;t Web-impaired, I&#8217;d give you a link, but I am Web stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#039;t call them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s my point. If he&#039;s going to make such a big deal out of calling other publishers, basing most of his &quot;case&quot; on it, then he should have said whether or not he called Fantagraphics and what the result was. It&#039;s a really obvious hole that calls the rest of his piece into question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#8217;t call them.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s my point. If he&#8217;s going to make such a big deal out of calling other publishers, basing most of his &#8220;case&#8221; on it, then he should have said whether or not he called Fantagraphics and what the result was. It&#8217;s a really obvious hole that calls the rest of his piece into question.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47102</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t mean to be posting mutiple times but my comments keep getting cut off (see above) so I&#039;ll try with elipsis...Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#039;t call them...I don&#039;t think his last paragraphs were at all loony; this was an opinion piece (it says that in the headline) and I think it&#039;s clear that Meth has little if any respect for Groth...As for &quot;Meth being rude to professionals,&quot; Meth is also a professional. Second, the only professional I read him having a problem with was Barry Windsor-Smith. He seems to be well liked by his fellow professionals. I just watched him chair the &quot;Remembering Dave Cockrum&quot; panel at NY ComicCon where he was joined by Paul Levitz, Chris Claremont, Louise Simonson and Joe Rubinstein. Paul made a point of telling a small group of us after the panel how much he thinks of Meth and what he&#039;s done for neglected professionals like Dave Cockrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be posting mutiple times but my comments keep getting cut off (see above) so I&#8217;ll try with elipsis&#8230;Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#8217;t call them&#8230;I don&#8217;t think his last paragraphs were at all loony; this was an opinion piece (it says that in the headline) and I think it&#8217;s clear that Meth has little if any respect for Groth&#8230;As for &#8220;Meth being rude to professionals,&#8221; Meth is also a professional. Second, the only professional I read him having a problem with was Barry Windsor-Smith. He seems to be well liked by his fellow professionals. I just watched him chair the &#8220;Remembering Dave Cockrum&#8221; panel at NY ComicCon where he was joined by Paul Levitz, Chris Claremont, Louise Simonson and Joe Rubinstein. Paul made a point of telling a small group of us after the panel how much he thinks of Meth and what he&#8217;s done for neglected professionals like Dave Cockrum.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47101</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#039;t call them.

I don&#039;t think his last paragraphs were at all loony; this was an opinion piece (it says that in the headline) and I think it&#039;s clear that Meth has little if any respect for Groth.

&gt;That Meth has a history of being unwarrantedly rude to professionals and holds grudges for decades...Not the guy I&#039;d trust for unbiased reporting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meth only opines that they have insurance. He never said that he called them or didn&#8217;t call them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think his last paragraphs were at all loony; this was an opinion piece (it says that in the headline) and I think it&#8217;s clear that Meth has little if any respect for Groth.</p>
<p>&gt;That Meth has a history of being unwarrantedly rude to professionals and holds grudges for decades&#8230;Not the guy I&#8217;d trust for unbiased reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47077</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 11:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no proof that Fantagraphics has either of those things. The column you reference says they should, and other publishers do, but in the specific case, Meth&#039;s speculations are surprisingly fact-free. 

What most jumps out at me: He says he called other publishers for background, but he never mentions calling Fantagraphics and asking them directly. Did he? Was his call refused? Or did he simply not bother? It&#039;s a surprisingly obvious oversight not to even mention it, even if they wouldn&#039;t talk to him. 

Based on the increasingly loony last paragraphs, I find myself wondering if he&#039;s another one of those with a long-standing grudge against the company that he also neglects to mention? A quick Google shows that Meth &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/2004/02/thursday-reading-if-youre-as-big-fan.html&quot;&gt;praises Ellison&lt;/a&gt; and brags that Ellison &quot;digs [him]&quot;. That Meth has a history of being &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/2004/03/putting-me-in-meth-it-occurs-to-me.html&quot;&gt;unwarrantedly rude to professionals&lt;/a&gt; and holds grudges for decades. And that in interviews he takes completely &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cliffordmeth.com/mikepascaletakesoutthegril.htm&quot;&gt;unrelated swipes at Fantagraphics&lt;/a&gt;, calling names. 

Not the guy I&#039;d trust for unbiased reporting. Maybe he should have revealed some of that, hmm?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no proof that Fantagraphics has either of those things. The column you reference says they should, and other publishers do, but in the specific case, Meth&#8217;s speculations are surprisingly fact-free. </p>
<p>What most jumps out at me: He says he called other publishers for background, but he never mentions calling Fantagraphics and asking them directly. Did he? Was his call refused? Or did he simply not bother? It&#8217;s a surprisingly obvious oversight not to even mention it, even if they wouldn&#8217;t talk to him. </p>
<p>Based on the increasingly loony last paragraphs, I find myself wondering if he&#8217;s another one of those with a long-standing grudge against the company that he also neglects to mention? A quick Google shows that Meth <a href="http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/2004/02/thursday-reading-if-youre-as-big-fan.html">praises Ellison</a> and brags that Ellison &#8220;digs [him]&#8220;. That Meth has a history of being <a href="http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/blog/2004/03/putting-me-in-meth-it-occurs-to-me.html">unwarrantedly rude to professionals</a> and holds grudges for decades. And that in interviews he takes completely <a href="http://www.cliffordmeth.com/mikepascaletakesoutthegril.htm">unrelated swipes at Fantagraphics</a>, calling names. </p>
<p>Not the guy I&#8217;d trust for unbiased reporting. Maybe he should have revealed some of that, hmm?</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-47064</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please read this. I didn&#039;t make this up:
Fantagraphics has plenty of money as well as legal insurance. Read this before you donate:
http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this. I didn&#8217;t make this up:<br />
Fantagraphics has plenty of money as well as legal insurance. Read this before you donate:<br />
<a href="http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/" rel="nofollow">http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/03/03/clifford-meth-fantagraphicss-legal-defense-fund-decisive-or-deceitful/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-46738</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe in donating money to a for-profit organization, but I did just place an order for one of the excellent Peanuts boxed sets and may order another next month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe in donating money to a for-profit organization, but I did just place an order for one of the excellent Peanuts boxed sets and may order another next month.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-46704</link>
		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I need to see where I left off on Peanuts, and may try Popeye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to see where I left off on Peanuts, and may try Popeye.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/28/fantagraphics-defense-fund-announced/comment-page-1/#comment-46690</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I plan on purchasing Pogo, if finances line up I might donate as well, as I know Pogo&#039;s collection is still a ways off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plan on purchasing Pogo, if finances line up I might donate as well, as I know Pogo&#8217;s collection is still a ways off.</p>
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