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		<title>By: Civil War: The Confession &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-48986</link>
		<dc:creator>Civil War: The Confession &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worth it.&#8221; I know that the writer is attempting to bring some emotional weight to the much-promoted death of a major character, and I feel sort of scuzzy repurposing his work, because inside the fictional [...]</description>
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<p>[...] worth it.&#8221; I know that the writer is attempting to bring some emotional weight to the much-promoted death of a major character, and I feel sort of scuzzy repurposing his work, because inside the fictional [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-48044</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;agree, except that thousands of people will not be able to read it until after the publicity has waned.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure the Digital Comics Preservation team at &#039;trackerb&#039; will have it in their weekend distribution.  Alas, only the cover made it in yesterday&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>agree, except that thousands of people will not be able to read it until after the publicity has waned.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the Digital Comics Preservation team at &#8216;trackerb&#8217; will have it in their weekend distribution.  Alas, only the cover made it in yesterday&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-48005</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Marvel made it news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Marvel made it news.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-48004</link>
		<dc:creator>Dani Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be an X-men reader. I was an X-men reader when Wolverine died and came back the VERY NEXT ISSUE. I believe I quit somewhere around the time Cyclops died, just before his four issue miniseries was slated to come out. Shortly after I left, I heard Colossus was dead. I hear he&#039;s feeling better.

I was only reading X-men for three or four years.

...Why the hell is this news? Why is anyone paying any attention to this? At all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be an X-men reader. I was an X-men reader when Wolverine died and came back the VERY NEXT ISSUE. I believe I quit somewhere around the time Cyclops died, just before his four issue miniseries was slated to come out. Shortly after I left, I heard Colossus was dead. I hear he&#8217;s feeling better.</p>
<p>I was only reading X-men for three or four years.</p>
<p>&#8230;Why the hell is this news? Why is anyone paying any attention to this? At all?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47989</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;John: I’m wondering if it’s even going to be a month or two. I’m hearing vague things about some of today’s comics even contradicting it.&lt;/i&gt;

Right you are.  The Initiative has one superhero telling another that he&#039;s alive.  Was there originally supposed to be a delay between the two issues?  The release date for both on Marvel.com do have this week&#039;s date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John: I’m wondering if it’s even going to be a month or two. I’m hearing vague things about some of today’s comics even contradicting it.</i></p>
<p>Right you are.  The Initiative has one superhero telling another that he&#8217;s alive.  Was there originally supposed to be a delay between the two issues?  The release date for both on Marvel.com do have this week&#8217;s date.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47935</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Marvel truly believed in the sales potential of this book, they should have over-shipped and made the extras returnable.
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Dwight Williams said:
&quot;Whoever’s working the marketing/advertising details on this thing may have gotten exactly the timing they wanted.&quot;
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I agree, except that thousands of people will not be able to read it until after the publicity has waned. My LCS, a relatively small shop, sold out in 5 hours and had at least 30 calls for it on Wednesday. Who knows how many people will call before the weekend id over.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Marvel truly believed in the sales potential of this book, they should have over-shipped and made the extras returnable.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Dwight Williams said:<br />
&#8220;Whoever’s working the marketing/advertising details on this thing may have gotten exactly the timing they wanted.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
I agree, except that thousands of people will not be able to read it until after the publicity has waned. My LCS, a relatively small shop, sold out in 5 hours and had at least 30 calls for it on Wednesday. Who knows how many people will call before the weekend id over.<br />
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47874</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad that many long-time readers of the book were unable to get a copy due to the speculation that is going on (some sets with both covers have topped $200 on eBay).

And it is interesting that we aren&#039;t being greeted with a second printing announcement... surely Marvel isn&#039;t making money in the secondary market...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad that many long-time readers of the book were unable to get a copy due to the speculation that is going on (some sets with both covers have topped $200 on eBay).</p>
<p>And it is interesting that we aren&#8217;t being greeted with a second printing announcement&#8230; surely Marvel isn&#8217;t making money in the secondary market&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47798</link>
		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was at one point, but I believe that was settled a few years back. Joe Simon (and Kirby, I believe) gets a &quot;Captain America created by Joe Simon&quot; line in the credit box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was at one point, but I believe that was settled a few years back. Joe Simon (and Kirby, I believe) gets a &#8220;Captain America created by Joe Simon&#8221; line in the credit box.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Spencer</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47789</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cynic in me just wondered: Is this one of the characters tied up in ownership litigation? I seem to recall something about that, and it&#039;s interesting he met the same fate as Superboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cynic in me just wondered: Is this one of the characters tied up in ownership litigation? I seem to recall something about that, and it&#8217;s interesting he met the same fate as Superboy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47763</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anyone ever saw Band of Brothers, but both the character and real-life Major Dick Winters reminded me very much of who and what Captain America should be - a moral, fearless and trusted leader who anyone would follow anywhere. He was never a war monger but he knew his duty and would always put the safety and well-being of others before himself. In other words, a true hero. 

I hope that for future generations, Marvel either brings back the &#039;classic&#039; Cap, or keeps the Ultimate Cap around, but with a better writer than he&#039;s had in recent years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone ever saw Band of Brothers, but both the character and real-life Major Dick Winters reminded me very much of who and what Captain America should be &#8211; a moral, fearless and trusted leader who anyone would follow anywhere. He was never a war monger but he knew his duty and would always put the safety and well-being of others before himself. In other words, a true hero. </p>
<p>I hope that for future generations, Marvel either brings back the &#8216;classic&#8217; Cap, or keeps the Ultimate Cap around, but with a better writer than he&#8217;s had in recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47759</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Rob, that really hit me too. He&#039;s so right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Rob, that really hit me too. He&#8217;s so right.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47757</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Death in the Legion. I was thinking of Nura&#039;s death at the end of the first arc. For me, that was actually surprising because its was one of the rare superhero deaths where the writer (Waid) succeeded in making the character really sparkle. In most superhero deaths, it&#039;s typically a character writers haven&#039;t been able to figure out and are ready to give up trying... or a major franchise that the publisher is clearly not going to give up. Then again, the Legion franchise has been rebooted so many times, writers probably don&#039;t have to worry so much about what they do since the Legion has been able to restart at square one.

Hm, I just realized the Civil War plot point would have been pretty interesting if Marvel were still pushing the idea that the Ultimate titles would eventually become the primary Marvel Universe since, in that case, this death could be permanent while the character continues to be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Death in the Legion. I was thinking of Nura&#8217;s death at the end of the first arc. For me, that was actually surprising because its was one of the rare superhero deaths where the writer (Waid) succeeded in making the character really sparkle. In most superhero deaths, it&#8217;s typically a character writers haven&#8217;t been able to figure out and are ready to give up trying&#8230; or a major franchise that the publisher is clearly not going to give up. Then again, the Legion franchise has been rebooted so many times, writers probably don&#8217;t have to worry so much about what they do since the Legion has been able to restart at square one.</p>
<p>Hm, I just realized the Civil War plot point would have been pretty interesting if Marvel were still pushing the idea that the Ultimate titles would eventually become the primary Marvel Universe since, in that case, this death could be permanent while the character continues to be published.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Spencer</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47750</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really annoyed about this for two reasons: 1) they actually had the nerve to do this to a legacy character, or 2) they&#039;re going to undo it in another big event later.
But then I was incredibly sad when I read this on CBR  -- Reached for comment on the death of his character at this point in history, 93 year old [character] co-creator ... told the AP, &quot;We really need him now.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really annoyed about this for two reasons: 1) they actually had the nerve to do this to a legacy character, or 2) they&#8217;re going to undo it in another big event later.<br />
But then I was incredibly sad when I read this on CBR  &#8212; Reached for comment on the death of his character at this point in history, 93 year old [character] co-creator &#8230; told the AP, &#8220;We really need him now.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Hobart</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47735</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Hobart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Marvel’s approach going into this was “trust us, order more”. Which doesn’t mean anything to a jaded comic shop owner who got stuck with cases of Deathmate or the Superman Wedding Special or any other more recent gonna-be-HOT comic. If DC had done this, they’d at least have had a consignment program on related collections.&quot;

I&#039;ve been keeping my mouth shut so far, because Marvel did say pretty clearly that comic shops should order more, but, as far as I saw, there wasn&#039;t much indication what level of order more they were talking about -- we quadrupled our usual Captain America numbers and we&#039;re just about out.

That said, none of the new faces we&#039;ve seen today are new to comics, just checking if we have any more because their normal shop is out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marvel’s approach going into this was “trust us, order more”. Which doesn’t mean anything to a jaded comic shop owner who got stuck with cases of Deathmate or the Superman Wedding Special or any other more recent gonna-be-HOT comic. If DC had done this, they’d at least have had a consignment program on related collections.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping my mouth shut so far, because Marvel did say pretty clearly that comic shops should order more, but, as far as I saw, there wasn&#8217;t much indication what level of order more they were talking about &#8212; we quadrupled our usual Captain America numbers and we&#8217;re just about out.</p>
<p>That said, none of the new faces we&#8217;ve seen today are new to comics, just checking if we have any more because their normal shop is out.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47732</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvel&#039;s approach going into this was &quot;trust us, order more&quot;. Which doesn&#039;t mean anything to a jaded comic shop owner who got stuck with cases of Deathmate or the Superman Wedding Special or any other more recent gonna-be-HOT comic. If DC had done this, they&#039;d at least have had a consignment program on related collections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvel&#8217;s approach going into this was &#8220;trust us, order more&#8221;. Which doesn&#8217;t mean anything to a jaded comic shop owner who got stuck with cases of Deathmate or the Superman Wedding Special or any other more recent gonna-be-HOT comic. If DC had done this, they&#8217;d at least have had a consignment program on related collections.</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/daily-news-breaks-marvel-spoiler/comment-page-1/#comment-47730</link>
		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralf -

Sure.  But how many went out to buy an issue?  I had a friend come up to me and ask if I&#039;d heard about it, but she has no intention of going any further with it than that.  She just thought it was odd that the newswires were talking about a fictional character dying.  (I think the exact quote was something like &quot;what - Paris Hilton has a day off or something?&quot;)

That&#039;s what I mean by &quot;what&#039;s the point?&quot; - Marvel has been doing a GREAT job lately of stoking up the hype machine around their stuff, but there&#039;s no follow-through.  Now, if there was a Captain America movie getting released this month, or some similar tie-in where non-comics folks could see it and associate it with the news story then I&#039;d see the point.  But as it is the only real result is going to see is whether current comics readers bite and pick up the issue or not -- the play in the rest of the wider world is mostly meaningless to Marvel&#039;s ultimate bottom line.

(Now, as a gimmick to get folks to pick up Brubaker&#039;s Captain America it might be worthwhile in the end - its a well written book.  But its still a gimmick - nothing more, nothing less.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralf -</p>
<p>Sure.  But how many went out to buy an issue?  I had a friend come up to me and ask if I&#8217;d heard about it, but she has no intention of going any further with it than that.  She just thought it was odd that the newswires were talking about a fictional character dying.  (I think the exact quote was something like &#8220;what &#8211; Paris Hilton has a day off or something?&#8221;)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I mean by &#8220;what&#8217;s the point?&#8221; &#8211; Marvel has been doing a GREAT job lately of stoking up the hype machine around their stuff, but there&#8217;s no follow-through.  Now, if there was a Captain America movie getting released this month, or some similar tie-in where non-comics folks could see it and associate it with the news story then I&#8217;d see the point.  But as it is the only real result is going to see is whether current comics readers bite and pick up the issue or not &#8212; the play in the rest of the wider world is mostly meaningless to Marvel&#8217;s ultimate bottom line.</p>
<p>(Now, as a gimmick to get folks to pick up Brubaker&#8217;s Captain America it might be worthwhile in the end &#8211; its a well written book.  But its still a gimmick &#8211; nothing more, nothing less.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Haring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralf Haring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah - I don’t see this sticking&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s purpose is not &quot;to stick&quot;. It&#039;s to make people talk about it. It doesn&#039;t matter what Cap&#039;s status is in five years. Marvel got what they wanted out of the story &lt;b&gt;today. When I get this story e-mailed to me by three separate non-comics reading friends, I know a ton of eyeballs are taking in this information. Objective met.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yeah &#8211; I don’t see this sticking</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s purpose is not &#8220;to stick&#8221;. It&#8217;s to make people talk about it. It doesn&#8217;t matter what Cap&#8217;s status is in five years. Marvel got what they wanted out of the story <b>today. When I get this story e-mailed to me by three separate non-comics reading friends, I know a ton of eyeballs are taking in this information. Objective met.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first heard the news from a local SoCal radio show. The thrust of the conversation was &quot;where would someone go to buy a comic now a days?&quot;. They don&#039;t sell em&#039; anywhere but specialty collectible stores and the aduance for them are older adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first heard the news from a local SoCal radio show. The thrust of the conversation was &#8220;where would someone go to buy a comic now a days?&#8221;. They don&#8217;t sell em&#8217; anywhere but specialty collectible stores and the aduance for them are older adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this were not part of Brubaker&#039;s Cap run, I&#039;d roll my eyes.  Since it is, I&#039;m curious to see where this goes, though since I read it in TPB I&#039;ll likely know how it ends long before I actually, um, see where it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this were not part of Brubaker&#8217;s Cap run, I&#8217;d roll my eyes.  Since it is, I&#8217;m curious to see where this goes, though since I read it in TPB I&#8217;ll likely know how it ends long before I actually, um, see where it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: I&#039;m wondering if it&#039;s even going to be a month or two. I&#039;m hearing vague things about some of today&#039;s comics even contradicting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I&#8217;m wondering if it&#8217;s even going to be a month or two. I&#8217;m hearing vague things about some of today&#8217;s comics even contradicting it.</p>
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