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		<title>By: Do You Have a Vision for Women in Comics? Friends of Lulu Needs Help » Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-117275</link>
		<dc:creator>Do You Have a Vision for Women in Comics? Friends of Lulu Needs Help » Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 2. The Empowerment Fund fiasco in early 2007 in which a loose cannon board member announced a money-raising effort that ended in refunds, didn&#8217;t accomplish its goals, and made everyone look bad. The situation led to me questioning the need for the group in February 2007 and starting a discussion on how to solve volunteer group problems. [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] 2. The Empowerment Fund fiasco in early 2007 in which a loose cannon board member announced a money-raising effort that ended in refunds, didn&#8217;t accomplish its goals, and made everyone look bad. The situation led to me questioning the need for the group in February 2007 and starting a discussion on how to solve volunteer group problems. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48611</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Tim!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tim!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48458</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lyle, I meant to thank you for your perspective. And  I just visited your blog (http://www.crocodilecaucus.com/wordpress/) for the first time. You find some interesting content, there (Nixon&#039;s thoughts on All in the Family, for example!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle, I meant to thank you for your perspective. And  I just visited your blog (<a href="http://www.crocodilecaucus.com/wordpress/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crocodilecaucus.com/wordpress/</a>) for the first time. You find some interesting content, there (Nixon&#8217;s thoughts on All in the Family, for example!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48456</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get sore, or break a window more likely, Dan. I look at the Tiger Woods Wii game and envision even more busted TVs. How soon before Johanna blocks us from posting on this item for going waaaay off-topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get sore, or break a window more likely, Dan. I look at the Tiger Woods Wii game and envision even more busted TVs. How soon before Johanna blocks us from posting on this item for going waaaay off-topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48451</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, okay, let&#039;s make it the Please Buy Dan Coyle a Wii Fund. I can&#039;t wait to get my hands on a Wii and play with it till I get sore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, okay, let&#8217;s make it the Please Buy Dan Coyle a Wii Fund. I can&#8217;t wait to get my hands on a Wii and play with it till I get sore.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48338</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, it&#039;s interesting to reread the goals for FoL...point four sticks out since WFA, Girl-Wonder and GAM seem to be accomplishing a lot more to that end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, it&#8217;s interesting to reread the goals for FoL&#8230;point four sticks out since WFA, Girl-Wonder and GAM seem to be accomplishing a lot more to that end.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48308</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite wedding gift (yes, I&#039;m now divorced, the irony of what I&#039;m about to say does NOT escape me) was a Nintendo playstation. I got some Spider-Man game and could not get past the first level. That&#039;s right, video games became too hard to play for me in 1993. Maybe as my seven-year-old son gets older, he can teach me. :)
Coyle, you&#039;re twisted. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite wedding gift (yes, I&#8217;m now divorced, the irony of what I&#8217;m about to say does NOT escape me) was a Nintendo playstation. I got some Spider-Man game and could not get past the first level. That&#8217;s right, video games became too hard to play for me in 1993. Maybe as my seven-year-old son gets older, he can teach me. :)<br />
Coyle, you&#8217;re twisted. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48305</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a PS3, and I have to say, I hate it. I think it&#039;s one of the least appealing video game systems ever launched. I&#039;ve mainly been using it for a doorstop.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever bought a new system I&#039;ve played less at launch.

Much prefer the 360 and even the Wii.

True!

Gail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a PS3, and I have to say, I hate it. I think it&#8217;s one of the least appealing video game systems ever launched. I&#8217;ve mainly been using it for a doorstop.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever bought a new system I&#8217;ve played less at launch.</p>
<p>Much prefer the 360 and even the Wii.</p>
<p>True!</p>
<p>Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48300</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to announce the creation of a new fund: The Please Buy Dan Coyle a Playstation 3 Fund. The &lt;i&gt;Ratchet and Clank Future&lt;/i&gt; cover story in EGM has convinced me I need a PS3. Please e-mail me at DanCSM99@aol.com for further details. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to announce the creation of a new fund: The Please Buy Dan Coyle a Playstation 3 Fund. The <i>Ratchet and Clank Future</i> cover story in EGM has convinced me I need a PS3. Please e-mail me at <a href="mailto:DanCSM99@aol.com">DanCSM99@aol.com</a> for further details. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48272</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;OK, I need even more positive vibes in this comments thread. Is everyone loving Welcome to Tranquility as much as me? Thanks for an interesting read, Gail.&quot;

Thank you, Tim. I&#039;m very fond of that book!

Gail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OK, I need even more positive vibes in this comments thread. Is everyone loving Welcome to Tranquility as much as me? Thanks for an interesting read, Gail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, Tim. I&#8217;m very fond of that book!</p>
<p>Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48249</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately not, Tim.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48181</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don&#039;t mean that as snark, by the way...&quot;

I didn&#039;t see/read it that way. No worries.  ^_-]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t mean that as snark, by the way&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see/read it that way. No worries.  ^_-</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48174</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I need even more positive vibes in this comments thread. Is everyone loving Welcome to Tranquility as much as me? Thanks for an interesting read, Gail.

Honestly, as much as an asset that blogs and message boards are getting industry news out, I think volunteer groups are under a greater microscope than they were say 10 years ago. 

I run a volunteer committee at my son&#039;s school, where I schedule three people a day to cover two-hour shifts at the library. I know for a fact that three to four parents are going to miss their assignment (be it because of a sick child, they forget, or whatever) in a given month with no notice. Fortunately I&#039;m not under a microscope, or else there&#039;d be a 30+ comment thread on a blog somewhere asking &quot;why hasn&#039;t Tim gotten someone to cover every shift&quot;? I know, apples and orange comparison.

This particular grievance with FoL is a dicey one, as it involves other people&#039;s money/donations. But I have to wonder, how many active members does FoL have? (Note I said &quot;active&quot; not total) How many of the folks involved in running the group are the same folks that were doing the heavy lifting a few years ago? I honestly don&#039;t know, but I daresay we&#039;re fast approaching a point where the number of people posting in this thread far outnumber the folks who actively serve FoL. And anyone looking at the recent FoL coverage may not be exactly inspired to join the group, given for the most part (rightly or wrongly) it is being portrayed in a poor light. I hope I&#039;m wrong.

And I am not trying to pick on FoL, hell, who can disagree with a mission statement that partially says:

&quot;Friends of Lulu is a national organization whose main purpose is to promote and encourage female readership and participation in the comic book industry.

Among the goals of the organization are:

   1. to increase female readership of comics
   2. to promote the work of women in comics
   3. to offer networking opportunities and general support to women in comics, and
   4. to facilitate communication among women and men who share the organization&#039;s purpose.&quot;

Note point 4. To quote, Cool Hand Luke &quot; What we&#039;ve got here is failure to communicate.&quot;

I like to think the folks involved with FoL are more than likely taking a lessons learned approach to the whole empowerment fund fiasco. 

We&#039;ve got a lot of smart folks posting in this comments thread, hopefully with good ideas to help volunteer orgs (not just FoL). 

And I hope that the coverage FoL has received has not precluded constructive discourse between folks like Johanna and FoL. In that vein, Johanna, remember when you said &lt;a href=&quot;http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/22/friends-of-lulu-responds/&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;I look forward to meeting Ms. Crane at the NY Con and talking with her further on the subject.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; I know logistically it was impossible for you and Crane to connect at the NYCC, but have you and Crane had a chance to chat yet?&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I need even more positive vibes in this comments thread. Is everyone loving Welcome to Tranquility as much as me? Thanks for an interesting read, Gail.</p>
<p>Honestly, as much as an asset that blogs and message boards are getting industry news out, I think volunteer groups are under a greater microscope than they were say 10 years ago. </p>
<p>I run a volunteer committee at my son&#8217;s school, where I schedule three people a day to cover two-hour shifts at the library. I know for a fact that three to four parents are going to miss their assignment (be it because of a sick child, they forget, or whatever) in a given month with no notice. Fortunately I&#8217;m not under a microscope, or else there&#8217;d be a 30+ comment thread on a blog somewhere asking &#8220;why hasn&#8217;t Tim gotten someone to cover every shift&#8221;? I know, apples and orange comparison.</p>
<p>This particular grievance with FoL is a dicey one, as it involves other people&#8217;s money/donations. But I have to wonder, how many active members does FoL have? (Note I said &#8220;active&#8221; not total) How many of the folks involved in running the group are the same folks that were doing the heavy lifting a few years ago? I honestly don&#8217;t know, but I daresay we&#8217;re fast approaching a point where the number of people posting in this thread far outnumber the folks who actively serve FoL. And anyone looking at the recent FoL coverage may not be exactly inspired to join the group, given for the most part (rightly or wrongly) it is being portrayed in a poor light. I hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>And I am not trying to pick on FoL, hell, who can disagree with a mission statement that partially says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Friends of Lulu is a national organization whose main purpose is to promote and encourage female readership and participation in the comic book industry.</p>
<p>Among the goals of the organization are:</p>
<p>   1. to increase female readership of comics<br />
   2. to promote the work of women in comics<br />
   3. to offer networking opportunities and general support to women in comics, and<br />
   4. to facilitate communication among women and men who share the organization&#8217;s purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note point 4. To quote, Cool Hand Luke &#8221; What we&#8217;ve got here is failure to communicate.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like to think the folks involved with FoL are more than likely taking a lessons learned approach to the whole empowerment fund fiasco. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got a lot of smart folks posting in this comments thread, hopefully with good ideas to help volunteer orgs (not just FoL). </p>
<p>And I hope that the coverage FoL has received has not precluded constructive discourse between folks like Johanna and FoL. In that vein, Johanna, remember when you said <a href="http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/02/22/friends-of-lulu-responds/"><b>&#8220;I look forward to meeting Ms. Crane at the NY Con and talking with her further on the subject.&#8221;</b> I know logistically it was impossible for you and Crane to connect at the NYCC, but have you and Crane had a chance to chat yet?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48151</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t mean that as snark, by the way...I&#039;m just saying we did the fire fundraising by the skin of our teeth in the middle of the night as well, not that it&#039;s wrong to ask these questions.  Fortunately in that case everything seemed to turn out for the best and every dime went in the right pocket.

Gail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean that as snark, by the way&#8230;I&#8217;m just saying we did the fire fundraising by the skin of our teeth in the middle of the night as well, not that it&#8217;s wrong to ask these questions.  Fortunately in that case everything seemed to turn out for the best and every dime went in the right pocket.</p>
<p>Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48148</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just saying I don&#039;t feel enough without sin to cast that stone in this case, is all.


Gail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying I don&#8217;t feel enough without sin to cast that stone in this case, is all.</p>
<p>Gail</p>
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		<title>By: lea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48138</link>
		<dc:creator>lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leigh Dragoon CAN draw, that&#039;s why, if I hadn&#039;t just that day handed off the editorship of GAM to Lisa Jonte (Friday of SDCC 2005), I&#039;d have hired her myself.
It&#039;s a bonus that&#039;s she&#039;s a trustworthy and delightful person.

And now--wasn&#039;t this thread about being on-message in a volunteer organization? 

Let&#039;s address over-enthusiasm. 
I just deleted a lot of blither and Googled over-enthusiasm instead. I came up with a slide from a http://www.uiausa.com/ (United Inventors Association) presentation that I think sums up what over-enthusiasm can do. (And did do, in the case of the Fund.)

Do not let your enthusiasm overpower common sense!
(The invention promotion industry relies on this. &lt;i&gt;They are talking here about avoiding scams, I included this to keep the slide complete, not because it&#039;s relevant. --Lea)&lt;/i&gt; 
Emotions cloud the main issues and your reasoning mechanism. 
You only hear what you want to hear. 
Over Enthusiasm can be very costly. 
Over Enthusiasm can cause you to skip vital steps and, most importantly, not listen to constructive criticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leigh Dragoon CAN draw, that&#8217;s why, if I hadn&#8217;t just that day handed off the editorship of GAM to Lisa Jonte (Friday of SDCC 2005), I&#8217;d have hired her myself.<br />
It&#8217;s a bonus that&#8217;s she&#8217;s a trustworthy and delightful person.</p>
<p>And now&#8211;wasn&#8217;t this thread about being on-message in a volunteer organization? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s address over-enthusiasm.<br />
I just deleted a lot of blither and Googled over-enthusiasm instead. I came up with a slide from a <a href="http://www.uiausa.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.uiausa.com/</a> (United Inventors Association) presentation that I think sums up what over-enthusiasm can do. (And did do, in the case of the Fund.)</p>
<p>Do not let your enthusiasm overpower common sense!<br />
(The invention promotion industry relies on this. <i>They are talking here about avoiding scams, I included this to keep the slide complete, not because it&#8217;s relevant. &#8211;Lea)</i><br />
Emotions cloud the main issues and your reasoning mechanism.<br />
You only hear what you want to hear.<br />
Over Enthusiasm can be very costly.<br />
Over Enthusiasm can cause you to skip vital steps and, most importantly, not listen to constructive criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48101</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand, and I get that Johanna was offended by Ronee&#039;s comments, but I felt comparing her to Rick, one of the most vile people I&#039;ve ever met, who posts racist, homophobic, and woman-hating slurs to everyone who disagrees with him AND cheats creators with astonishing regularity, was overkill.

I don&#039;t know all the intricacies, but it&#039;s worth saying again that she not only did NOT use any of the money herself, but actually donated to the fund.  It&#039;s just a world of difference, isn&#039;t it?

After dealing with Olney&#039;s bullshit for the past few years, I&#039;d leap up to defend almost ANYONE compared to him that didn&#039;t have the last name, &#039;Cheney.&#039;

;)

On another note, Johanna has requested I remove her post, which Ronee placed in full on my board.  As much as I loathe censoring or editing, since it&#039;s her words, I&#039;m fixing to do it, as soon as I figure out the editing buttons (I never use them, don&#039;t even know where they are).

Gail]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, and I get that Johanna was offended by Ronee&#8217;s comments, but I felt comparing her to Rick, one of the most vile people I&#8217;ve ever met, who posts racist, homophobic, and woman-hating slurs to everyone who disagrees with him AND cheats creators with astonishing regularity, was overkill.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know all the intricacies, but it&#8217;s worth saying again that she not only did NOT use any of the money herself, but actually donated to the fund.  It&#8217;s just a world of difference, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>After dealing with Olney&#8217;s bullshit for the past few years, I&#8217;d leap up to defend almost ANYONE compared to him that didn&#8217;t have the last name, &#8216;Cheney.&#8217;</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>On another note, Johanna has requested I remove her post, which Ronee placed in full on my board.  As much as I loathe censoring or editing, since it&#8217;s her words, I&#8217;m fixing to do it, as soon as I figure out the editing buttons (I never use them, don&#8217;t even know where they are).</p>
<p>Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Huxford</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48098</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Huxford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gail, I think the problem here is how all debates get off track. Someone on the previous thread compared Ronee to Rick...said she acted a lot like him...someone made a comment that was interpreted to suggest Ronee was more of a co-conspirator. So discussing Ronee&#039;s possibly being a victim of Rick somehow got intertwined...the debate got muddy...and posts come off as saying that Ronee shouldn&#039;t be so doubted because she&#039;s been a victim (of Rick) too.

So I don&#039;t think Johanna was intending to twist your statements...just that the discussion gets twisted in all different directions by the 10+ voices leading it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail, I think the problem here is how all debates get off track. Someone on the previous thread compared Ronee to Rick&#8230;said she acted a lot like him&#8230;someone made a comment that was interpreted to suggest Ronee was more of a co-conspirator. So discussing Ronee&#8217;s possibly being a victim of Rick somehow got intertwined&#8230;the debate got muddy&#8230;and posts come off as saying that Ronee shouldn&#8217;t be so doubted because she&#8217;s been a victim (of Rick) too.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think Johanna was intending to twist your statements&#8230;just that the discussion gets twisted in all different directions by the 10+ voices leading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob S.</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48082</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, she sure can -- thanks for the link, Gail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, she sure can &#8212; thanks for the link, Gail!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Jonte</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/03/07/trying-to-make-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-48075</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Jonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;By the way, holy crap, can Leigh draw!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah she can!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;By the way, holy crap, can Leigh draw!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah she can!</p>
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