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	<title>Comments on: Marvel PR: Let&#8217;s Kill Another Woman!</title>
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		<title>By: Designated Sidekick: The Candy Floss Aneurism. &#187; Apparently, all us comic book critics who critise &#8220;the sexy&#8221; look the same.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Designated Sidekick: The Candy Floss Aneurism. &#187; Apparently, all us comic book critics who critise &#8220;the sexy&#8221; look the same.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Watch as sexy lingerie clad blind girlfriend of Daredevil is violently beaten (Daredevil #98) during crossover night where comic book publishers tease about putting minority cast member into a fridge OR DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK.  [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Watch as sexy lingerie clad blind girlfriend of Daredevil is violently beaten (Daredevil #98) during crossover night where comic book publishers tease about putting minority cast member into a fridge OR DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Foot2Mouth - A Mouth Kicking Comics and Gaming News Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What We’re Reading this Week – Daredevil Love’s Labors Lost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foot2Mouth - A Mouth Kicking Comics and Gaming News Source &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What We’re Reading this Week – Daredevil Love’s Labors Lost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a love interest’ has been used over a half a dozen times with Daredevil can be seen at from Johanna over at Comics Worth Reading.  That particular article truly is worth reading if you know anything [...]</description>
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<p>[...] of a love interest’ has been used over a half a dozen times with Daredevil can be seen at from Johanna over at Comics Worth Reading.  That particular article truly is worth reading if you know anything [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Hill</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68496</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really mostly know his work from the last year of X-men; and in that book he made Polaris sane (whereas Chuck Austen cast her as Bridezilla, and Peter Milligan had her as unpredictable and possibly unstable), had Hepzibah armor-up to avenge her man, had Deathbird act rationally to achieve her vile goals, had Lilandra plot carefully and diplomatically with former enemies to achieve hers, and had Rachel fall in love with a leather-clad dude with a really big sword.

At least with the X-men, Brubaker tries out the old, established plots but adds new elements and progresses the story. I understand that&#039;s what he does with Daredevil, too: he gets the basic appeal of the title, and then makes it seem new all over again. 

So I&#039;m not too worried about the Milla situation; but I do agree with Johanna that he should be aware of certain plots that can be offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really mostly know his work from the last year of X-men; and in that book he made Polaris sane (whereas Chuck Austen cast her as Bridezilla, and Peter Milligan had her as unpredictable and possibly unstable), had Hepzibah armor-up to avenge her man, had Deathbird act rationally to achieve her vile goals, had Lilandra plot carefully and diplomatically with former enemies to achieve hers, and had Rachel fall in love with a leather-clad dude with a really big sword.</p>
<p>At least with the X-men, Brubaker tries out the old, established plots but adds new elements and progresses the story. I understand that&#8217;s what he does with Daredevil, too: he gets the basic appeal of the title, and then makes it seem new all over again. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not too worried about the Milla situation; but I do agree with Johanna that he should be aware of certain plots that can be offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Masaki</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68478</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle Masaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I don&#039;t think it matters if Brubaker has made use of these cliches or not. One of the benefits of writing superheroes is that you get to build off of a rich history, but the exchange is that you&#039;re judges partly by what others have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I don&#8217;t think it matters if Brubaker has made use of these cliches or not. One of the benefits of writing superheroes is that you get to build off of a rich history, but the exchange is that you&#8217;re judges partly by what others have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn, he&#039;s definitely &quot;working in a genre where cliches abound&quot;, but how often has Brubaker himself utilized these cliches? I&#039;m hoping he&#039;s able to deliver something fresh and interesting, but will be happy to  admit I was mistaken in my expectations if he delivers something tired and dull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn, he&#8217;s definitely &#8220;working in a genre where cliches abound&#8221;, but how often has Brubaker himself utilized these cliches? I&#8217;m hoping he&#8217;s able to deliver something fresh and interesting, but will be happy to  admit I was mistaken in my expectations if he delivers something tired and dull.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Hill</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68451</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brubaker seems to be advocating for artistic freedom in the face of censorship; but certainly there&#039;s a difference between censorship and objection to offensive cliches in storytelling. It&#039;s not so much that he&#039;s in a shared universe to me; it&#039;s that he&#039;s working in a genre where cliches abound, and where almost all of the best stories transcend those cliches, including the innovation of finding inspiration and creative story ideas in outsider perspectives. There are actually a great number of super-heroines; but sometimes interesting things happen to them, and sometimes horrible things happen to them for dramatic effect in other people&#039;s stories. 

I&#039;d say the ratio is even worse for wives and girlfriends (excepting Lois Lane), as it&#039;s harder to resurrect the simply human than the gamma-radiated, magickal, robotic or alien. 

So the problem here isn&#039;t Brubaker being denied his full creative license. It&#039;s whether he&#039;s going to give us something tired and dull or something fresh and interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brubaker seems to be advocating for artistic freedom in the face of censorship; but certainly there&#8217;s a difference between censorship and objection to offensive cliches in storytelling. It&#8217;s not so much that he&#8217;s in a shared universe to me; it&#8217;s that he&#8217;s working in a genre where cliches abound, and where almost all of the best stories transcend those cliches, including the innovation of finding inspiration and creative story ideas in outsider perspectives. There are actually a great number of super-heroines; but sometimes interesting things happen to them, and sometimes horrible things happen to them for dramatic effect in other people&#8217;s stories. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the ratio is even worse for wives and girlfriends (excepting Lois Lane), as it&#8217;s harder to resurrect the simply human than the gamma-radiated, magickal, robotic or alien. </p>
<p>So the problem here isn&#8217;t Brubaker being denied his full creative license. It&#8217;s whether he&#8217;s going to give us something tired and dull or something fresh and interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68410</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria, the nice thing about the ebb and flow of the shared universes, one can only hope in about 10 years someone figures out a way to bring back Karen Page and treat the character right. Johanna, again thanks for initiating this discussion and Gloria, thanks for your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria, the nice thing about the ebb and flow of the shared universes, one can only hope in about 10 years someone figures out a way to bring back Karen Page and treat the character right. Johanna, again thanks for initiating this discussion and Gloria, thanks for your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Milla has been depicted so far as an intelligent woman who doesn&#039;t allow herself to feel misadvantaged because of her being blind. And she&#039;s got the right attitude, for me: her concern about housing issues in Hell&#039;s Kitchen is a very positive point for the character.

Incidentally, and as a girl still displeased by Kevin Smith&#039;s work in Daredevil, I&#039;d say that not only Karen Page was -brutally-misused by him... In fact, most of the people seemed a bit out-of-character: Foggy, for instance has been traditionally -and sweetly- shy with girls (remember his &quot;taking the couch&quot; when Glorianna stayed at his place?), and in &quot;Guardian Devil&quot; he was seen behaving in, um, an uncharactheristically randy way (I mean... is this the same who turned down Niomi Brink in order to date Liz Osborn?). 

Since the whole thing was masterminded by Mysterio, it has been argued that Foggy was a rape victim in Guardian Devil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Milla has been depicted so far as an intelligent woman who doesn&#8217;t allow herself to feel misadvantaged because of her being blind. And she&#8217;s got the right attitude, for me: her concern about housing issues in Hell&#8217;s Kitchen is a very positive point for the character.</p>
<p>Incidentally, and as a girl still displeased by Kevin Smith&#8217;s work in Daredevil, I&#8217;d say that not only Karen Page was -brutally-misused by him&#8230; In fact, most of the people seemed a bit out-of-character: Foggy, for instance has been traditionally -and sweetly- shy with girls (remember his &#8220;taking the couch&#8221; when Glorianna stayed at his place?), and in &#8220;Guardian Devil&#8221; he was seen behaving in, um, an uncharactheristically randy way (I mean&#8230; is this the same who turned down Niomi Brink in order to date Liz Osborn?). </p>
<p>Since the whole thing was masterminded by Mysterio, it has been argued that Foggy was a rape victim in Guardian Devil.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria, I definitely respect your right to be concerned about Milla&#039;s fate and to comment upon it. And I respect everyone&#039;s concern/distaste about the general approach that Brubaker/Lark are taking with this particilar plot. And as a guy still displeased with Kevin Smith&#039;s (mis)use of the Karen Page character, I sympathize. 

But as for the lack of balance, call me optimistic, but I&#039;m holding out hope that Milla while lacking one sense, uses her other senses (and intelligence) to save herself. That being said, I respect and acknowledge the lack of balance.

Johanna, the guy who brought back Bucky and &quot;killed&quot; Cap has a great deal more influence as a writer in this shared universe than your average writer, I dare to think. Partially editorial mandate, true, but mandate entrusted to a particular writer.

As for your suggestion that Brubaker not put a female in peril because in essence Kevin Smith once killed Karen Page (and Miller once had Bullseye hang Black Widow [in a cover] with a hair dryer cord) among myriad other writers&#039; treatment of women (think of how Stan Lee once wrote Karen Page)--it is naive to think he should write to your particular expectations of how it might &quot;read&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria, I definitely respect your right to be concerned about Milla&#8217;s fate and to comment upon it. And I respect everyone&#8217;s concern/distaste about the general approach that Brubaker/Lark are taking with this particilar plot. And as a guy still displeased with Kevin Smith&#8217;s (mis)use of the Karen Page character, I sympathize. </p>
<p>But as for the lack of balance, call me optimistic, but I&#8217;m holding out hope that Milla while lacking one sense, uses her other senses (and intelligence) to save herself. That being said, I respect and acknowledge the lack of balance.</p>
<p>Johanna, the guy who brought back Bucky and &#8220;killed&#8221; Cap has a great deal more influence as a writer in this shared universe than your average writer, I dare to think. Partially editorial mandate, true, but mandate entrusted to a particular writer.</p>
<p>As for your suggestion that Brubaker not put a female in peril because in essence Kevin Smith once killed Karen Page (and Miller once had Bullseye hang Black Widow [in a cover] with a hair dryer cord) among myriad other writers&#8217; treatment of women (think of how Stan Lee once wrote Karen Page)&#8211;it is naive to think he should write to your particular expectations of how it might &#8220;read&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68373</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

I&#039;ve been following Daredevil for a long time. And I must say that I like Brubaker&#039;s work in the series, and very much so (I recently started to buy issues &quot;Captain America&quot; when I learned it was written by him). I think that he won&#039;t kill Milla... Well, I really hope so. In &quot;The Devil in Cell Block D&quot; he remained silent whenever the fans were having hot arguments and wild speculations about the fate of Foggy, and said &quot;Wait till next issue&quot; (and wasn&#039;t that a surprise!)... So I reserve my actual judgement until I read the actual issue...

However, looking at DD&#039;s history, please understand my fears about the worst happening. And the situation depicted in the preview really chills my bones: it&#039;s about the lack of balance between the brutality of the agressor and the utter helplessness of the victim (she is blind!).

As a woman, I just imagine myself being in Milla&#039;s situation, and man, that gives me the creeps... And take that from someone who has read Alan Moore&#039;s &quot;From Hell&quot;&#039;s chapter 10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following Daredevil for a long time. And I must say that I like Brubaker&#8217;s work in the series, and very much so (I recently started to buy issues &#8220;Captain America&#8221; when I learned it was written by him). I think that he won&#8217;t kill Milla&#8230; Well, I really hope so. In &#8220;The Devil in Cell Block D&#8221; he remained silent whenever the fans were having hot arguments and wild speculations about the fate of Foggy, and said &#8220;Wait till next issue&#8221; (and wasn&#8217;t that a surprise!)&#8230; So I reserve my actual judgement until I read the actual issue&#8230;</p>
<p>However, looking at DD&#8217;s history, please understand my fears about the worst happening. And the situation depicted in the preview really chills my bones: it&#8217;s about the lack of balance between the brutality of the agressor and the utter helplessness of the victim (she is blind!).</p>
<p>As a woman, I just imagine myself being in Milla&#8217;s situation, and man, that gives me the creeps&#8230; And take that from someone who has read Alan Moore&#8217;s &#8220;From Hell&#8221;&#8217;s chapter 10</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for passing along another Brubaker quote. I have to say that I find it naive, at best, for someone working on a major superhero title to think that only their plot and character work matters. 

It&#039;s a shared universe, after all, and the readers will definitely consider his work in a bigger context. So I think it&#039;s his responsibility to consider not only what he wants to do but how it will &quot;read&quot; in a situation where so many others have done a similar thing badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for passing along another Brubaker quote. I have to say that I find it naive, at best, for someone working on a major superhero title to think that only their plot and character work matters. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shared universe, after all, and the readers will definitely consider his work in a bigger context. So I think it&#8217;s his responsibility to consider not only what he wants to do but how it will &#8220;read&#8221; in a situation where so many others have done a similar thing badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68346</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna, I left out the &quot;more vulnerable&quot; because it was a dramatic effect that both writer and artist used in positive terms and was already defined as negative here for the context of this discussion. It was not intentionally crafting a defense by omission on my part. I could have included it only to be told by you that the storyteller&#039;s opinion is not relevant to you. 

Honestly, I still hold out an expectation that Milla may ultimately be able to defend herself. The hype? Bad. The plot device of &quot;loved one endangered&quot;? Not bad, in my book.

BTW, go back to that Newsarama thread (which is a hard one to read, for some of the useless side debates that have resulted) as there&#039;s now folks speculating about rape in the issue--prompting Brubaker to return to the thread. I won&#039;t quote the whole thing, and read into that what you will, but I did like this line on his part:
&quot;A writer&#039;s obligation is to their story and their characters, not to some outside agenda decided on by individuals who don&#039;t actually read the work, but just look for images to find offensive.&quot;

I must say, any complaints currently made beyond taking issue with the marketing is commenting about a work that none of us has read yet. And by the same token, I think I&#039;m actually defending a work I have yet to read. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, I left out the &#8220;more vulnerable&#8221; because it was a dramatic effect that both writer and artist used in positive terms and was already defined as negative here for the context of this discussion. It was not intentionally crafting a defense by omission on my part. I could have included it only to be told by you that the storyteller&#8217;s opinion is not relevant to you. </p>
<p>Honestly, I still hold out an expectation that Milla may ultimately be able to defend herself. The hype? Bad. The plot device of &#8220;loved one endangered&#8221;? Not bad, in my book.</p>
<p>BTW, go back to that Newsarama thread (which is a hard one to read, for some of the useless side debates that have resulted) as there&#8217;s now folks speculating about rape in the issue&#8211;prompting Brubaker to return to the thread. I won&#8217;t quote the whole thing, and read into that what you will, but I did like this line on his part:<br />
&#8220;A writer&#8217;s obligation is to their story and their characters, not to some outside agenda decided on by individuals who don&#8217;t actually read the work, but just look for images to find offensive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I must say, any complaints currently made beyond taking issue with the marketing is commenting about a work that none of us has read yet. And by the same token, I think I&#8217;m actually defending a work I have yet to read. :)</p>
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		<title>By: notintheface</title>
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		<dc:creator>notintheface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t count your WIR&#039;s before they&#039;re wacked. Brubaker may throw us a curveball yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t count your WIR&#8217;s before they&#8217;re wacked. Brubaker may throw us a curveball yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/06/08/marvel-pr-lets-kill-another-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-68295</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Johana,

Re Slash: Actually, I was only considering places where Matt or Milla could go if they got separated. And then I remembered about the old Dd San Francisco DD days, and the pun just came his way, ha, ha... (now, that would be a NEW plot development! lol)

So far other doomed women in Matt&#039;s life have not been mentioned: Heather Glenn and Glorianna O&#039;Breen... I&#039;ll really be pi**ed if Milla joins the list. Enough of dead girlfriends. So far I&#039;ve found Brubaker&#039;s work in the series a compelling read, so I hope he won&#039;t settle for the &quot;Karen Page solution&quot;

And darn, Karl Kesel actually managed to write a happy daredevil... and it was fun and pretty readable, too. I have heard about &quot;happy endings&quot; being a cliched convention, but aren&#039;t &quot;unhappy endings&quot; equally so? Nothing ever ends, said dr. Manhattan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Johana,</p>
<p>Re Slash: Actually, I was only considering places where Matt or Milla could go if they got separated. And then I remembered about the old Dd San Francisco DD days, and the pun just came his way, ha, ha&#8230; (now, that would be a NEW plot development! lol)</p>
<p>So far other doomed women in Matt&#8217;s life have not been mentioned: Heather Glenn and Glorianna O&#8217;Breen&#8230; I&#8217;ll really be pi**ed if Milla joins the list. Enough of dead girlfriends. So far I&#8217;ve found Brubaker&#8217;s work in the series a compelling read, so I hope he won&#8217;t settle for the &#8220;Karen Page solution&#8221;</p>
<p>And darn, Karl Kesel actually managed to write a happy daredevil&#8230; and it was fun and pretty readable, too. I have heard about &#8220;happy endings&#8221; being a cliched convention, but aren&#8217;t &#8220;unhappy endings&#8221; equally so? Nothing ever ends, said dr. Manhattan</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I didn&#039;t consider the artist&#039;s reason relevant, because the point I was trying to make was that real nightclothes add to the believability for me, while the underwear undercuts it (and makes it more typical). Thanks for adding the artist&#039;s stated reason, although you left out the part about Lark thinking it also made her &quot;more vulnerable&quot;. 

Gloria, thanks for correcting my phonetic spelling. :) Are you suggesting some Daredevil slash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I didn&#8217;t consider the artist&#8217;s reason relevant, because the point I was trying to make was that real nightclothes add to the believability for me, while the underwear undercuts it (and makes it more typical). Thanks for adding the artist&#8217;s stated reason, although you left out the part about Lark thinking it also made her &#8220;more vulnerable&#8221;. </p>
<p>Gloria, thanks for correcting my phonetic spelling. :) Are you suggesting some Daredevil slash?</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t want Milla to die... If Marvel doesn&#039;t want his superheroes to be married, I think that there are more civilised ways to write a character out. Allow me an example/proposal: Milla (tired of being a potential scapegoat for every lame superbaddie in the book) divorces Matt. Then she keeps on with her worthy job of giving to Hell&#039;s Kitchen people a decent house to live in. Then Matt returns to San Francisco like in the old Conway/Colan days... But this time &lt;i&gt;he takes Foggy&lt;/i&gt; with whom he lives happily thereafter.

Just a note. By &quot;cahones&quot; I imagine you meant &quot;cojones&quot;. If a Spanish speaking person reads or hears about &quot;cahones&quot; he&#039;s more likely to think about furniture (cajones&quot; means &quot;drawers&quot; or &quot;crates&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t want Milla to die&#8230; If Marvel doesn&#8217;t want his superheroes to be married, I think that there are more civilised ways to write a character out. Allow me an example/proposal: Milla (tired of being a potential scapegoat for every lame superbaddie in the book) divorces Matt. Then she keeps on with her worthy job of giving to Hell&#8217;s Kitchen people a decent house to live in. Then Matt returns to San Francisco like in the old Conway/Colan days&#8230; But this time <i>he takes Foggy</i> with whom he lives happily thereafter.</p>
<p>Just a note. By &#8220;cahones&#8221; I imagine you meant &#8220;cojones&#8221;. If a Spanish speaking person reads or hears about &#8220;cahones&#8221; he&#8217;s more likely to think about furniture (cajones&#8221; means &#8220;drawers&#8221; or &#8220;crates&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, I&#039;m coming across as carrying Brubaker&#039;s water. But in referencing the Lark change to underwear, you chose not to mention that Lark wanted the scene to be &quot;reminisent of the scene where she first met Bullseye&quot;. 

That detail, while pertinent to me, is not pertinent to you. 

Thanks for considering my points as always (and providing a forum for these discussions in a civil manner). I wish Brubaker had wandered over here to discuss it, I think he would have found a more constructive discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, I&#8217;m coming across as carrying Brubaker&#8217;s water. But in referencing the Lark change to underwear, you chose not to mention that Lark wanted the scene to be &#8220;reminisent of the scene where she first met Bullseye&#8221;. </p>
<p>That detail, while pertinent to me, is not pertinent to you. </p>
<p>Thanks for considering my points as always (and providing a forum for these discussions in a civil manner). I wish Brubaker had wandered over here to discuss it, I think he would have found a more constructive discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, your points are well-taken, but in my case, anyway, it goes a little further than the PR. There are certain concepts that are so overused (and so frequently badly used) that I&#039;m just not interested in reading them as plots. &quot;Wife in jeopardy in her underwear&quot; is one of them. 

Speaking of, I thought one of the most interesting of Brubaker&#039;s comments was how he mentioned that he&#039;d originally written her in a nightgown but the artist wanted to change it to a bra. The actual nightclothes would have made it more plausible (and more out of the ordinary) for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, your points are well-taken, but in my case, anyway, it goes a little further than the PR. There are certain concepts that are so overused (and so frequently badly used) that I&#8217;m just not interested in reading them as plots. &#8220;Wife in jeopardy in her underwear&#8221; is one of them. </p>
<p>Speaking of, I thought one of the most interesting of Brubaker&#8217;s comments was how he mentioned that he&#8217;d originally written her in a nightgown but the artist wanted to change it to a bra. The actual nightclothes would have made it more plausible (and more out of the ordinary) for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim O'Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Brubaker is a talented writer, working within the confines of editorial mandates. I think at this point in his career, he should not have to be defending himself regarding an upcoming issue--given that as badly as the issue is being marketed, he didn&#039;t write the PR. And as successful as Brubaker is, do you think he can dictate Marvel&#039;s PR department?

(And Johanna, I know you&#039;re not judging the issue, you&#039;re taking issue with the PR.)

Here&#039;s the interesting thing, Brubaker has people (myself included) reading DD who clearly have not read the book (either before or for a long time). The Gladiator/DD dynamics is something originally introduced by Frank Miller, Becky is a character that was in the book back when DD was a bimonthly comic (late 1970s).

And not to be absurd, but if Brubaker kills Milla, let&#039;s not forget he brought Bucky back from the dead.

My bottom line? I&#039;m not pleased with the PR--when I received the release in my email box, I winced at the title. But I know Brubaker&#039;s writing never makes me wince, so I&#039;ll be buying the issue.

One more thing--yes Milla is moving around in her underwear, but it&#039;s not like Michael Lark&#039;s art is becoming like Paul Gulacy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Brubaker is a talented writer, working within the confines of editorial mandates. I think at this point in his career, he should not have to be defending himself regarding an upcoming issue&#8211;given that as badly as the issue is being marketed, he didn&#8217;t write the PR. And as successful as Brubaker is, do you think he can dictate Marvel&#8217;s PR department?</p>
<p>(And Johanna, I know you&#8217;re not judging the issue, you&#8217;re taking issue with the PR.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the interesting thing, Brubaker has people (myself included) reading DD who clearly have not read the book (either before or for a long time). The Gladiator/DD dynamics is something originally introduced by Frank Miller, Becky is a character that was in the book back when DD was a bimonthly comic (late 1970s).</p>
<p>And not to be absurd, but if Brubaker kills Milla, let&#8217;s not forget he brought Bucky back from the dead.</p>
<p>My bottom line? I&#8217;m not pleased with the PR&#8211;when I received the release in my email box, I winced at the title. But I know Brubaker&#8217;s writing never makes me wince, so I&#8217;ll be buying the issue.</p>
<p>One more thing&#8211;yes Milla is moving around in her underwear, but it&#8217;s not like Michael Lark&#8217;s art is becoming like Paul Gulacy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm two quick things showing how little I guess I follow Marvel U. or at least DD.

I didn&#039;t know DD was married, and I was wondering, until reading some of the other  comments, why the purple Superman with a mohawk from the Shiar Empire was wanting to kill DD&#039;s wife.

This is far from the first time Marvel has done this though. It has been a LONG time since I read it but didn&#039;t the captions in the Death of Gwen Stacy say we were about to witness the &quot;worst day in Peter Parker&#039;s life&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm two quick things showing how little I guess I follow Marvel U. or at least DD.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know DD was married, and I was wondering, until reading some of the other  comments, why the purple Superman with a mohawk from the Shiar Empire was wanting to kill DD&#8217;s wife.</p>
<p>This is far from the first time Marvel has done this though. It has been a LONG time since I read it but didn&#8217;t the captions in the Death of Gwen Stacy say we were about to witness the &#8220;worst day in Peter Parker&#8217;s life&#8221;?</p>
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