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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-83188</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, interesting analysis, thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Lianne Sentar</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-83027</link>
		<dc:creator>Lianne Sentar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schoolgirl stories in a seinen magazine are generally &quot;moé&quot;: the voyeuristic yet oftentimes non-sexual genre of the adventures of young girls for older male readers. Azumanga Daioh and Strawberry Marshmallow are both moé, as is Translucent. Wikipedia can tell you more.

The US would probably consider the target readership for Translucent to be female, since the lead character is female and she spends her days dealing with her personal high school problems. But since the lead female is a cliché, shy, demure girl who is still desired by the people around her (yet her fabricated problems are all centered on her NOT being desired), she&#039;s a pretty typical example of a male mangaka sloppily wallowing in femininity without actually understanding it, making her, well, more of a fetish than a character female readers are supposed to relate to. I know that sounds harsh, but I find it hard to describe sub-par moé any other way. The opposite of moé stories for boys are stories for girls with ensembles of unrealistic, beautiful boys who suffer from cliché angst in a superficial and oftentimes very “unmanly” way. Example: Gundam Wing.

Like with Oh My Goddess, Translucent was originally made to appeal to boys, and thus throwing it at girls because it has superficial ties to our media&#039;s definitions of &quot;femininity&quot; (love stories are for girls, schoolgirl leads are for girls) undermines the female audience and perpetuates stereotypes of &quot;what women want&quot; that were originally pushed, in many cases, by male creators. Shoujo and josei don&#039;t necessarily have to be written by women, but they&#039;re written FOR women, and that&#039;s a very important difference. Girls deserve a genre designed for them, don&#039;t you think? Especially since in this country, pieces of media aimed at &quot;both genders&quot; tend to slant, arguably, toward adolescent male. We don’t need manga falling into the same trap, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schoolgirl stories in a seinen magazine are generally &#8220;moé&#8221;: the voyeuristic yet oftentimes non-sexual genre of the adventures of young girls for older male readers. Azumanga Daioh and Strawberry Marshmallow are both moé, as is Translucent. Wikipedia can tell you more.</p>
<p>The US would probably consider the target readership for Translucent to be female, since the lead character is female and she spends her days dealing with her personal high school problems. But since the lead female is a cliché, shy, demure girl who is still desired by the people around her (yet her fabricated problems are all centered on her NOT being desired), she&#8217;s a pretty typical example of a male mangaka sloppily wallowing in femininity without actually understanding it, making her, well, more of a fetish than a character female readers are supposed to relate to. I know that sounds harsh, but I find it hard to describe sub-par moé any other way. The opposite of moé stories for boys are stories for girls with ensembles of unrealistic, beautiful boys who suffer from cliché angst in a superficial and oftentimes very “unmanly” way. Example: Gundam Wing.</p>
<p>Like with Oh My Goddess, Translucent was originally made to appeal to boys, and thus throwing it at girls because it has superficial ties to our media&#8217;s definitions of &#8220;femininity&#8221; (love stories are for girls, schoolgirl leads are for girls) undermines the female audience and perpetuates stereotypes of &#8220;what women want&#8221; that were originally pushed, in many cases, by male creators. Shoujo and josei don&#8217;t necessarily have to be written by women, but they&#8217;re written FOR women, and that&#8217;s a very important difference. Girls deserve a genre designed for them, don&#8217;t you think? Especially since in this country, pieces of media aimed at &#8220;both genders&#8221; tend to slant, arguably, toward adolescent male. We don’t need manga falling into the same trap, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-83002</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Have you (or anyone) read Translucent? Does it have elements that would aim it, in the US point of view, at males or females?</description>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-83001</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert when it comes to Japanese mags/anthologies, but Translucent originally ran in Comic Flapper, published by Media Factory. This mag is marketed as seinen; other series that have run in this publication are the panty-fest Najica, Suikoden III, Skullman, Fantastic Children, etc. Twin Spica (also published in Comic Flapper) wouldn&#039;t seem to fit the seinen mold either, but I guess the target demographic loves their slice of life schoolgirl stories? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert when it comes to Japanese mags/anthologies, but Translucent originally ran in Comic Flapper, published by Media Factory. This mag is marketed as seinen; other series that have run in this publication are the panty-fest Najica, Suikoden III, Skullman, Fantastic Children, etc. Twin Spica (also published in Comic Flapper) wouldn&#8217;t seem to fit the seinen mold either, but I guess the target demographic loves their slice of life schoolgirl stories? :p</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82991</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I completely forgot all about those -- of course, they&#039;re the most obvious. How easy it is to overlook a line once it&#039;s over! 

Personally, I want to hear more from Lianne about why Translucent isn&#039;t a shojo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I completely forgot all about those &#8212; of course, they&#8217;re the most obvious. How easy it is to overlook a line once it&#8217;s over! </p>
<p>Personally, I want to hear more from Lianne about why Translucent isn&#8217;t a shojo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82971</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding shoujo manga, I&#039;d also add their Harlequin pink and violet manga lines to the list; haven&#039;t read any myself though. ~_^</description>
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		<title>By: John T</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82857</link>
		<dc:creator>John T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanami, Bride of the Water God, Translucent are all being published right now, and they all could be considered shojo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanami, Bride of the Water God, Translucent are all being published right now, and they all could be considered shojo.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82841</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;m familiar with Petshop of Horrors, so that helps me better visualize the type, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m familiar with Petshop of Horrors, so that helps me better visualize the type, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: James Moar</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82840</link>
		<dc:creator>James Moar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some shojo horror: Scary Book, Reiko the Zombie Shop, Tomie, Petshop of Horrors, Vampire Princess Miyu, and maybe Octopus Girl (which seems much more like an insider&#039;s than an outsider&#039;s shojo parody, but I don&#039;t actually know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some shojo horror: Scary Book, Reiko the Zombie Shop, Tomie, Petshop of Horrors, Vampire Princess Miyu, and maybe Octopus Girl (which seems much more like an insider&#8217;s than an outsider&#8217;s shojo parody, but I don&#8217;t actually know).</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82834</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered why Hanami wasn&#039;t ringing a bell, and then I discovered it was manhua, which I don&#039;t pay much attention to. I love your rule shojo=cat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered why Hanami wasn&#8217;t ringing a bell, and then I discovered it was manhua, which I don&#8217;t pay much attention to. I love your rule shojo=cat!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82824</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Genshiken, but most the rest of that Del Rey list I either tried and didn&#039;t like (Parasyte, Guru Guru Pon-Chan, xxxHolic--though I followed that for a while before getting tired of it) or know I wouldn&#039;t like because of the genre (any horror/thriller stuff).  I might try Emma, though.

And I quite liked High School Debut, which I tried on your recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Genshiken, but most the rest of that Del Rey list I either tried and didn&#8217;t like (Parasyte, Guru Guru Pon-Chan, xxxHolic&#8211;though I followed that for a while before getting tired of it) or know I wouldn&#8217;t like because of the genre (any horror/thriller stuff).  I might try Emma, though.</p>
<p>And I quite liked High School Debut, which I tried on your recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: mark thorpe</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82820</link>
		<dc:creator>mark thorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanami, What&#039;s Micheal? (don&#039;t care what anyone says; if it&#039;s about a cat it&#039;s shojo), and Club 9 is one of the old ones.  I don;t know what the fuss is about, I find Berserk to be very romantic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanami, What&#8217;s Micheal? (don&#8217;t care what anyone says; if it&#8217;s about a cat it&#8217;s shojo), and Club 9 is one of the old ones.  I don;t know what the fuss is about, I find Berserk to be very romantic.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82809</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, I should have remembered &lt;a href=&quot;http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/10/26/red-string-book-1/&quot;&gt;Red String&lt;/a&gt;. And Lyle makes an excellent point about how difficulties can arise in translating &quot;for boys&quot; and &quot;for girls&quot; from one culture to another. James, are there any translated manga horror stories I&#039;d&#039;ve heard of that are shojo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, I should have remembered <a href="http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/10/26/red-string-book-1/">Red String</a>. And Lyle makes an excellent point about how difficulties can arise in translating &#8220;for boys&#8221; and &#8220;for girls&#8221; from one culture to another. James, are there any translated manga horror stories I&#8217;d've heard of that are shojo?</p>
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		<title>By: James Moar</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82806</link>
		<dc:creator>James Moar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building on what Lyle said, though you can find horror manga in magazines for both male and female audiences, the horror-themed manga magazines I&#039;ve heard of are shojo or josei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building on what Lyle said, though you can find horror manga in magazines for both male and female audiences, the horror-themed manga magazines I&#8217;ve heard of are shojo or josei.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82794</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna, I think, too, there could probably a cultural bias at work, not just your dislike of horror.

I think in the US we&#039;re trained to think of horror as a genre for male audiences and that female horror fans have atypical tastes (or that its not really horror if its audience isn&#039;t mostly male), even if there are different tendencies that can be found between the genders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna, I think, too, there could probably a cultural bias at work, not just your dislike of horror.</p>
<p>I think in the US we&#8217;re trained to think of horror as a genre for male audiences and that female horror fans have atypical tastes (or that its not really horror if its audience isn&#8217;t mostly male), even if there are different tendencies that can be found between the genders.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Thursday thoughts &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Thursday thoughts &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Johanna Draper Carlson rounds up some recent manga news items and offers her own thoughts. (Pop quiz: Does Dark Horse actually publish any shôjo, or just manga titles from other categories that people who like shôjo might enjoy?) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Johanna Draper Carlson rounds up some recent manga news items and offers her own thoughts. (Pop quiz: Does Dark Horse actually publish any shôjo, or just manga titles from other categories that people who like shôjo might enjoy?) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007: Let the post-mortems begin</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82788</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007: Let the post-mortems begin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson comments on a number of recent manga developments, including the Viz omnibuses and Mike Richardson&#8217;s [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson comments on a number of recent manga developments, including the Viz omnibuses and Mike Richardson&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brigid</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82783</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark Horse publishes the print version of Red String, which is a shoujo global manga, but they don&#039;t seem to really market it as such.</description>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82779</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t think about Dark Horse using the title inaccurately. Or that horror could be shojo. (My bias against the genre showing.) 

And yes, Lyle, very true that the omnibi are a great idea to prop up a scarily long series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I didn&#8217;t think about Dark Horse using the title inaccurately. Or that horror could be shojo. (My bias against the genre showing.) </p>
<p>And yes, Lyle, very true that the omnibi are a great idea to prop up a scarily long series.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/01/09/manga-news-bites/comment-page-1/#comment-82767</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, some of Dark Horse&#039;s horror titles are shoujo -- I understand Tomie was a shoujo title when it came out. Thing is you wouldn&#039;t know it from Dark Horse&#039;s marketing.... if Richardson is thinking of those he&#039;s trying to have his cake and eat it too.

&lt;i&gt;I wonder what kind of long-term effects these projects will have. It’s getting to be like DVDs … the longer you wait, the better package you get, so why buy at release?&lt;/i&gt;

I think that&#039;s the balancing at with determining which titles get the omnibus treatment. The counter-argument to your concern (a valid one, I should make clear) is that the omnibus editions can break down the entry barrier for a story with plenty of volumes out. 

For example, I look at the number of GTO titles out and it&#039;s stopped me from sampling the series since I worry about volumes I can&#039;t find and those volumes look very expensive because of their number (which is admittedly silly since I&#039;m only going to buy a couple volumes at a time regardless of how many are available).

So the trick is finding titles where there are more potential customers who are still putting off sampling the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, some of Dark Horse&#8217;s horror titles are shoujo &#8212; I understand Tomie was a shoujo title when it came out. Thing is you wouldn&#8217;t know it from Dark Horse&#8217;s marketing&#8230;. if Richardson is thinking of those he&#8217;s trying to have his cake and eat it too.</p>
<p><i>I wonder what kind of long-term effects these projects will have. It’s getting to be like DVDs … the longer you wait, the better package you get, so why buy at release?</i></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the balancing at with determining which titles get the omnibus treatment. The counter-argument to your concern (a valid one, I should make clear) is that the omnibus editions can break down the entry barrier for a story with plenty of volumes out. </p>
<p>For example, I look at the number of GTO titles out and it&#8217;s stopped me from sampling the series since I worry about volumes I can&#8217;t find and those volumes look very expensive because of their number (which is admittedly silly since I&#8217;m only going to buy a couple volumes at a time regardless of how many are available).</p>
<p>So the trick is finding titles where there are more potential customers who are still putting off sampling the series.</p>
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