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		<title>By: A Timeline of Josei Manga in the U.S. &#187; Manga Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-120338</link>
		<dc:creator>A Timeline of Josei Manga in the U.S. &#187; Manga Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] manga, which is manga aimed at adult female readers, check out this 2008 overview article or this post about examples of the genre and its resulting comments, which are full of [...]</description>
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<p>[...] manga, which is manga aimed at adult female readers, check out this 2008 overview article or this post about examples of the genre and its resulting comments, which are full of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The future &#171; let&#8217;s fall asleep</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-99013</link>
		<dc:creator>The future &#171; let&#8217;s fall asleep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 07:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The State of Josei Manga [...]</description>
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<p>[...] The State of Josei Manga [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-98477</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you found some good reading! Happy to help.</description>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-98468</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely love the discussion that&#039;s going on. I have bought 2 Volumes of Suppli, and I am going to keep up with it. It&#039;s really interesting, and I think I bought it b/c of the anime Hataraki Man lol. They&#039;re both stories about working women and their relationship drama that is second to work. Anyway I picked up quite a lot of titles that I would have prob never come across on my own, and I learned a lot about Josei manga too. Thanks a bunch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely love the discussion that&#8217;s going on. I have bought 2 Volumes of Suppli, and I am going to keep up with it. It&#8217;s really interesting, and I think I bought it b/c of the anime Hataraki Man lol. They&#8217;re both stories about working women and their relationship drama that is second to work. Anyway I picked up quite a lot of titles that I would have prob never come across on my own, and I learned a lot about Josei manga too. Thanks a bunch!</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyopop Reorganizes » Manga Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-119170</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyopop Reorganizes » Manga Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experience: instead of buying TP book 1, I buy a Viz or a Del Rey or an Aurora (when it comes to josei) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] experience: instead of buying TP book 1, I buy a Viz or a Del Rey or an Aurora (when it comes to josei) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PiQ Magazine Out This Week &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-90848</link>
		<dc:creator>PiQ Magazine Out This Week &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next issue, June&#8217;s, is due out on Wednesday. There, I am very proud of my article on josei manga as well as my review of Life Sucks. Check it out and let me know what you think! [...]</description>
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<p>[...] next issue, June&#8217;s, is due out on Wednesday. There, I am very proud of my article on josei manga as well as my review of Life Sucks. Check it out and let me know what you think! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: a geek by any other name &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Big Fat Weekend Catchup</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-90786</link>
		<dc:creator>a geek by any other name &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Big Fat Weekend Catchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Astro Boy&#8221; designs of Lily Franky. - Aaand over at Comics Worth Reading, we have a nice State of Josei Manga address from Johanna, who talks about what titles out in the US might fit the bill; commenters have a [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Astro Boy&#8221; designs of Lily Franky. &#8211; Aaand over at Comics Worth Reading, we have a nice State of Josei Manga address from Johanna, who talks about what titles out in the US might fit the bill; commenters have a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mel</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-90737</link>
		<dc:creator>mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 06:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha well i have a section on my shelf specifically for josei titles. I&#039;ve completed tramps like us (kimi wa pet). I also have suppli, nodame cantabile happy mania, a few vols of Nana (yes, it&#039;s josei), Embalmer, mars, Doll and honey and clover. There are also seinen titles like mushishi that is also captivating.

Hmmm.. have you guys ever heard of scanlations? This site releases many josei titles
http://www.j-sis.net/about/ (go to their forum to dl releases)
and http://kawaiiness.free.fr/ &gt; shoujo manga maniacs released bathroom guwa (mangaka of suppli), Body and Soul, Piece of cake, tensai family company, crash and deep kiss. These titles are all josei. Entropy releases hataraki man which i found interest in as a josei anime and manga series. There are many more josei series being scanlated.

I believe that josei has interested many people in the underground manga community, as well as the ones that only have interest in licensed titles :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha well i have a section on my shelf specifically for josei titles. I&#8217;ve completed tramps like us (kimi wa pet). I also have suppli, nodame cantabile happy mania, a few vols of Nana (yes, it&#8217;s josei), Embalmer, mars, Doll and honey and clover. There are also seinen titles like mushishi that is also captivating.</p>
<p>Hmmm.. have you guys ever heard of scanlations? This site releases many josei titles<br />
<a href="http://www.j-sis.net/about/" rel="nofollow">http://www.j-sis.net/about/</a> (go to their forum to dl releases)<br />
and <a href="http://kawaiiness.free.fr/" rel="nofollow">http://kawaiiness.free.fr/</a> &gt; shoujo manga maniacs released bathroom guwa (mangaka of suppli), Body and Soul, Piece of cake, tensai family company, crash and deep kiss. These titles are all josei. Entropy releases hataraki man which i found interest in as a josei anime and manga series. There are many more josei series being scanlated.</p>
<p>I believe that josei has interested many people in the underground manga community, as well as the ones that only have interest in licensed titles :).</p>
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		<title>By: Another Blow to Josei Manga: Talking About Cancelled &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-89901</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Blow to Josei Manga: Talking About Cancelled &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a discussion here last month about josei manga, David Welsh recommended a book called Talking About that was due out in June. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] a discussion here last month about josei manga, David Welsh recommended a book called Talking About that was due out in June. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-89836</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought the first 2 Suppli&#039;s that are out....however I am still waiting for them to be delivered. During this time, I managed to find the live action drama series called Sapuri (Japanese people dont have the letter L in their alphabet and replace L&#039;s with the letter R). It was really good and I really liked the drama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought the first 2 Suppli&#8217;s that are out&#8230;.however I am still waiting for them to be delivered. During this time, I managed to find the live action drama series called Sapuri (Japanese people dont have the letter L in their alphabet and replace L&#8217;s with the letter R). It was really good and I really liked the drama!</p>
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		<title>By: Hsifeng</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88852</link>
		<dc:creator>Hsifeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s some more josei listed at http://tangerine.astraldream.net/joseimanga.html .

Chicago by Yumi Tamura is great too.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some more josei listed at <a href="http://tangerine.astraldream.net/joseimanga.html" rel="nofollow">http://tangerine.astraldream.net/joseimanga.html</a> .</p>
<p>Chicago by Yumi Tamura is great too.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88575</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think I&#039;m looking for discussions based on content, not obscure-to-the-US listings of which magazines something first appeared in. That is, let&#039;s talk about whether something is likely to appeal to women and why as a determination.&lt;/i&gt;

But if a title was picked for inclusion in a josei magazine, wasn&#039;t that because the editors thought it would appeal to women, their audience? If you&#039;re looking to make this less about which magazine a manga title appeared in, perhaps the terms &quot;josei&quot; and &quot;shoujo&quot; frames the discussion on the wrong note. Those terms indicate how they were marketed in Japan, so maybe the more apt question would ask which manga titles should be marketed to adult American women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think I&#8217;m looking for discussions based on content, not obscure-to-the-US listings of which magazines something first appeared in. That is, let&#8217;s talk about whether something is likely to appeal to women and why as a determination.</i></p>
<p>But if a title was picked for inclusion in a josei magazine, wasn&#8217;t that because the editors thought it would appeal to women, their audience? If you&#8217;re looking to make this less about which magazine a manga title appeared in, perhaps the terms &#8220;josei&#8221; and &#8220;shoujo&#8221; frames the discussion on the wrong note. Those terms indicate how they were marketed in Japan, so maybe the more apt question would ask which manga titles should be marketed to adult American women?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88555</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for that analysis. Great job!</description>
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		<title>By: Rhean</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88428</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think shojo tends to have a more sparkly art style, with flowers, mesh-and-bubbles screentones, and large sparkly eyes. I believe that the eyes are especially huge and sparkly for comics aimed at children/tweens (e.g. Kitchen Princess, Fall in Love Like a Comic). The panels tend to be irregularly shaped and also character cutouts are used. Protagonists are typically middle and high school students, and storylines have &quot;first love&quot; as a theme.

In josei manga, I&#039;ve noticed that the art style is more &quot;loose,&quot; meaning that the lines aren&#039;t completely smooth and perfect (Walkin&#039; Butterfly, Honey and Clover). Panels are more conservative (boxes), eyes aren&#039;t as sparkly, and there isn&#039;t an overload of mesh and lace screentones. Character designs are simple (Nodame Cantabile, Tramps Like Us). Actually, in terms of paneling, screentones, and general &quot;sparkliness,&quot; I&#039;ve found josei manga to be similar to Yaoi (though of course Yaoi has its own stereotypes with regards to character design). It kind of makes sense because the target audience is similar.

The characters in josei manga are older than high school age, which makes Nana a contender for this category. Storylines focus on relationships, but more subdued and more realistic: there&#039;s less of that first love infatuation, characters have ex-lovers (Suppli), and relationships grow slowly (Nodame Cantabile, which I think appeals to women because the focus is on the characters&#039; feelings and relationships). The conflicts in josei manga are also more adult: work problems in Tramps Like Us and raising a child in With the Light.

...anyway, that&#039;s my take after having read some shojo and josei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think shojo tends to have a more sparkly art style, with flowers, mesh-and-bubbles screentones, and large sparkly eyes. I believe that the eyes are especially huge and sparkly for comics aimed at children/tweens (e.g. Kitchen Princess, Fall in Love Like a Comic). The panels tend to be irregularly shaped and also character cutouts are used. Protagonists are typically middle and high school students, and storylines have &#8220;first love&#8221; as a theme.</p>
<p>In josei manga, I&#8217;ve noticed that the art style is more &#8220;loose,&#8221; meaning that the lines aren&#8217;t completely smooth and perfect (Walkin&#8217; Butterfly, Honey and Clover). Panels are more conservative (boxes), eyes aren&#8217;t as sparkly, and there isn&#8217;t an overload of mesh and lace screentones. Character designs are simple (Nodame Cantabile, Tramps Like Us). Actually, in terms of paneling, screentones, and general &#8220;sparkliness,&#8221; I&#8217;ve found josei manga to be similar to Yaoi (though of course Yaoi has its own stereotypes with regards to character design). It kind of makes sense because the target audience is similar.</p>
<p>The characters in josei manga are older than high school age, which makes Nana a contender for this category. Storylines focus on relationships, but more subdued and more realistic: there&#8217;s less of that first love infatuation, characters have ex-lovers (Suppli), and relationships grow slowly (Nodame Cantabile, which I think appeals to women because the focus is on the characters&#8217; feelings and relationships). The conflicts in josei manga are also more adult: work problems in Tramps Like Us and raising a child in With the Light.</p>
<p>&#8230;anyway, that&#8217;s my take after having read some shojo and josei.</p>
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		<title>By: jun</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88353</link>
		<dc:creator>jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NANA, Banana Fish, and Angel Sanctuary all ran in shoujo magazines, so it&#039;s not like Viz is labeling them incorrectly.

One they /did/ mislabel is &quot;Be With You,&quot; which ran in a seinen magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NANA, Banana Fish, and Angel Sanctuary all ran in shoujo magazines, so it&#8217;s not like Viz is labeling them incorrectly.</p>
<p>One they /did/ mislabel is &#8220;Be With You,&#8221; which ran in a seinen magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88346</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m looking for discussions based on content, not obscure-to-the-US listings of which magazines something first appeared in. That is, let&#039;s talk about whether something is likely to appeal to women and why as a determination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m looking for discussions based on content, not obscure-to-the-US listings of which magazines something first appeared in. That is, let&#8217;s talk about whether something is likely to appeal to women and why as a determination.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Sizemore</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88345</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Sizemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember correctly, in the latest Previews  Honey &amp; Clover is now being solicited as a Josei manga.

As far as Viz goes, I think you have to look through the Shojo catalogue carefully.  Mangas like Banana Fish  and Angel Sanctuary seem more Josei than Shojo to me.  I think Viz avoided the Josei label because it wasn&#039;t as marketable when they initially set up their lines.  If it turns out Josei starts to sell, don&#039;t be surprised to see Viz relabel some of the Shojo books.

Also there is Blue and A Patch of Dreams by Ponent Mon (The best mangas you can never find. That should be their new tag line.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, in the latest Previews  Honey &amp; Clover is now being solicited as a Josei manga.</p>
<p>As far as Viz goes, I think you have to look through the Shojo catalogue carefully.  Mangas like Banana Fish  and Angel Sanctuary seem more Josei than Shojo to me.  I think Viz avoided the Josei label because it wasn&#8217;t as marketable when they initially set up their lines.  If it turns out Josei starts to sell, don&#8217;t be surprised to see Viz relabel some of the Shojo books.</p>
<p>Also there is Blue and A Patch of Dreams by Ponent Mon (The best mangas you can never find. That should be their new tag line.)</p>
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		<title>By: merumo3o</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88329</link>
		<dc:creator>merumo3o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, sorry, it was &quot;Vanilla&quot;, by Kodansha (the author talks about that at the end of the first volume):
http://www.books-ruhe.co.jp/recommends/2002/02/vanilla.htm
Vanilla was closed very soon after it started, and later the series has been picked up by Ohzora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, sorry, it was &#8220;Vanilla&#8221;, by Kodansha (the author talks about that at the end of the first volume):<br />
<a href="http://www.books-ruhe.co.jp/recommends/2002/02/vanilla.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.books-ruhe.co.jp/recommends/2002/02/vanilla.htm</a><br />
Vanilla was closed very soon after it started, and later the series has been picked up by Ohzora.</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88326</link>
		<dc:creator>Chloe Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Walkin&#039; Butterfly&lt;/i&gt; is absolutely Ohzora-Shuppan; that&#039;s why it went to US subsidiary Aurora.
Additionally, KC Amie folded around &#039;97-98 or so, and given Walkin&#039; Butterfly is from 2004, they couldn&#039;t possibly have intersected.

(And I&#039;d argue NANA is mislabeled by Viz; the age and life status of the titular heroines smacks of josei.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Walkin&#8217; Butterfly</i> is absolutely Ohzora-Shuppan; that&#8217;s why it went to US subsidiary Aurora.<br />
Additionally, KC Amie folded around &#8217;97-98 or so, and given Walkin&#8217; Butterfly is from 2004, they couldn&#8217;t possibly have intersected.</p>
<p>(And I&#8217;d argue NANA is mislabeled by Viz; the age and life status of the titular heroines smacks of josei.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Curry</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/03/05/the-state-of-josei-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-88320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks to Johanna for the post. I&#039;ve been curious about josei for awhile, but I didn&#039;t know where to start.

Second, merumo3o, are you sure Walkin&#039; Butterfly started in Amie? Everything I&#039;ve found online says it was published by Ohzora and not Kodansha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks to Johanna for the post. I&#8217;ve been curious about josei for awhile, but I didn&#8217;t know where to start.</p>
<p>Second, merumo3o, are you sure Walkin&#8217; Butterfly started in Amie? Everything I&#8217;ve found online says it was published by Ohzora and not Kodansha&#8230;</p>
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