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	<title>Comments on: Tokyopop in Trouble: Manga Pilots</title>
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		<title>By: *Reinventing Comics &#8212; Recommended &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-92558</link>
		<dc:creator>*Reinventing Comics &#8212; Recommended &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] creators from sharing in the profits from their creations in the same month word broke of Tokyopop trying to get young artists to sign similar pacts. This section is mostly a history of the [...]</description>
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<p>[...] creators from sharing in the profits from their creations in the same month word broke of Tokyopop trying to get young artists to sign similar pacts. This section is mostly a history of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Tokyopop Contract Discussion &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91503</link>
		<dc:creator>More Tokyopop Contract Discussion &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment on the Manga Pilots Tokyopop contract [...]</description>
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<p>[...] comment on the Manga Pilots Tokyopop contract [...]</p>
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		<title>By: toranosuke</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91495</link>
		<dc:creator>toranosuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 06:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think with all of the pro-creator-owned copyright movement in the American comicbook business in the last decades (early 1990s, Image) and particularly in the last few years (the creators of Superman, Batman, Spider-man getting at least some if not full ownership of their creations), the same sort of thing would be seen in the import manga field. Shame shame shame, TokyoPop.

Besides, I for one have no interest in reading things written by random American otaku. I read real manga, by successful, professional, acclaimed, genuine mangaka ... Maybe TokyoPop should return their attention to what made them great in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think with all of the pro-creator-owned copyright movement in the American comicbook business in the last decades (early 1990s, Image) and particularly in the last few years (the creators of Superman, Batman, Spider-man getting at least some if not full ownership of their creations), the same sort of thing would be seen in the import manga field. Shame shame shame, TokyoPop.</p>
<p>Besides, I for one have no interest in reading things written by random American otaku. I read real manga, by successful, professional, acclaimed, genuine mangaka &#8230; Maybe TokyoPop should return their attention to what made them great in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyopop&#8217;s Contract Response &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91469</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyopop&#8217;s Contract Response &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sent a query to Tokyopop&#8217;s PR contact asking &#8220;Does Tokyopop have a response [to the Manga Pilots uproar]? Are any changes in the contract planned?&#8221; In return, I got this back, described as [...]</description>
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<p>[...] sent a query to Tokyopop&#8217;s PR contact asking &#8220;Does Tokyopop have a response [to the Manga Pilots uproar]? Are any changes in the contract planned?&#8221; In return, I got this back, described as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91466</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...we can be appalled, sure, we can be shocked, yes, but can we be surprised?"

I am surprised, yeah, actually. Tokyopop got raked over the coals for the reported terms in their OEL contracts pretty well a couple years back, so I expected them to learn, and I am in fact pretty surprised that they didn't. Or... maybe they did, but instead of learning about how to make great contracts where everyone wins, they learned to steer their contracts to a creator demographic that is less likely to walk away from these kinds of slanted terms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;we can be appalled, sure, we can be shocked, yes, but can we be surprised?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am surprised, yeah, actually. Tokyopop got raked over the coals for the reported terms in their OEL contracts pretty well a couple years back, so I expected them to learn, and I am in fact pretty surprised that they didn&#8217;t. Or&#8230; maybe they did, but instead of learning about how to make great contracts where everyone wins, they learned to steer their contracts to a creator demographic that is less likely to walk away from these kinds of slanted terms?</p>
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		<title>By: Strannik</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91457</link>
		<dc:creator>Strannik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn... There are still several Tokyopop series that I genuinely enjoy, but the more I read about the contract, the more I'm tempted to join the boycott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn&#8230; There are still several Tokyopop series that I genuinely enjoy, but the more I read about the contract, the more I&#8217;m tempted to join the boycott.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyopop Boycott? &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91451</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyopop Boycott? &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Tokyopop&#8217;s unethical Manga Pilots contracts, John Jakala has suggested (with a hilarious headline) a Tokyopop boycott for readers and [...]</description>
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<p>[...] of Tokyopop&#8217;s unethical Manga Pilots contracts, John Jakala has suggested (with a hilarious headline) a Tokyopop boycott for readers and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyopop Manga Pilots Backlash</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91449</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyopop Manga Pilots Backlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So it seems as though if you want experience to put on your resume, maybe Tokyopop&#8217;s Manga Pilot program is for you. However, if you are looking to really market your manga, and make a name for yourself in the industry, doing it for yourself without Tokyopop&#8217;s Manga Pilot program is better in the long-run. Via Comics Worth Reading [...]</description>
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<p>[...] So it seems as though if you want experience to put on your resume, maybe Tokyopop&#8217;s Manga Pilot program is for you. However, if you are looking to really market your manga, and make a name for yourself in the industry, doing it for yourself without Tokyopop&#8217;s Manga Pilot program is better in the long-run. Via Comics Worth Reading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91447</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm *really* happy to see this outrage and non-acceptance of these crappy deals. I've noticed Big Two superhero creators and fans are happy to jump at deals as crappy as this, but comics publishing *has* to change. Comic publishing companies should just get the rights to the text, rights to the characters, story, etc. should stay with the creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m *really* happy to see this outrage and non-acceptance of these crappy deals. I&#8217;ve noticed Big Two superhero creators and fans are happy to jump at deals as crappy as this, but comics publishing *has* to change. Comic publishing companies should just get the rights to the text, rights to the characters, story, etc. should stay with the creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Johnston</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91445</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's not racist, that's xenophobia and I hate xenophobia because it's a greek word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not racist, that&#8217;s xenophobia and I hate xenophobia because it&#8217;s a greek word.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gerhardt</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91443</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gerhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing how artists and writers are exploited, enslaved and taken advantage off, more and more in the light of day, we can be appalled, sure, we can be shocked, yes, but can we be surprised?

Writing isn't worth anything to these people, art isn't worth anything to these people, it's the search for the next Siegel/Shuster IDEA, take it, rape it, film it, kill it. 

Welcome to Manchester 1848 Capitalism on a global scale, boys and girls. Pleased to meet you, hoped you guessed my name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing how artists and writers are exploited, enslaved and taken advantage off, more and more in the light of day, we can be appalled, sure, we can be shocked, yes, but can we be surprised?</p>
<p>Writing isn&#8217;t worth anything to these people, art isn&#8217;t worth anything to these people, it&#8217;s the search for the next Siegel/Shuster IDEA, take it, rape it, film it, kill it. </p>
<p>Welcome to Manchester 1848 Capitalism on a global scale, boys and girls. Pleased to meet you, hoped you guessed my name.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; &#8216;Is this real? YES IT IS REAL.&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91439</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; &#8216;Is this real? YES IT IS REAL.&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lea Hernandez and Johanna Draper-Carlson offer their thoughts. If you come across more, feel free to add them in the comments section.  [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Lea Hernandez and Johanna Draper-Carlson offer their thoughts. If you come across more, feel free to add them in the comments section.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyopop Sets Tongues Wagging &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91433</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokyopop Sets Tongues Wagging &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on the latest Tokyopop contract problem: [...]</description>
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<p>[...] More on the latest Tokyopop contract problem: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Strips: The Webcomics Podcast</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91431</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Strips: The Webcomics Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] picks up the cudgels and pretty much finishes this contract off. At Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson wonders if she&#8217;ll even bother with Tokyopop books from now on. Also weighing in: Christopher [...]</description>
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<p>[...] picks up the cudgels and pretty much finishes this contract off. At Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson wonders if she&#8217;ll even bother with Tokyopop books from now on. Also weighing in: Christopher [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles RB</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91430</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is _embarrassing_. I remember there being interest and optimism when Tokyopop started OELs - "hey, a new publisher of US comics and it's by that big giant that's appealing to new markets and Doing Everything Right!". And now they have a _worse_ contract than Marvel &#38; DC's work-for-hire, who will at least give you a credit and pay you more than this (and don't slag off the French).

_Ten pounds_ for writing, drawing, inking and lettering a page, and withheld until it goes online? Maybe never paid at all? And you have no rights to it at all, even to be credited? Oh fuck OFF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is _embarrassing_. I remember there being interest and optimism when Tokyopop started OELs - &#8220;hey, a new publisher of US comics and it&#8217;s by that big giant that&#8217;s appealing to new markets and Doing Everything Right!&#8221;. And now they have a _worse_ contract than Marvel &amp; DC&#8217;s work-for-hire, who will at least give you a credit and pay you more than this (and don&#8217;t slag off the French).</p>
<p>_Ten pounds_ for writing, drawing, inking and lettering a page, and withheld until it goes online? Maybe never paid at all? And you have no rights to it at all, even to be credited? Oh fuck OFF.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91428</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 10:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riot, can you elaborate on the censorship and market-flooding? What are you thinking of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riot, can you elaborate on the censorship and market-flooding? What are you thinking of?</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91425</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professional publications have been TP boosters as well.

For a funny take on this:

http://arcana-j.livejournal.com/349769.html

The title alone is worth the click.

Thanks for covering this, Johanna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional publications have been TP boosters as well.</p>
<p>For a funny take on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://arcana-j.livejournal.com/349769.html" rel="nofollow">http://arcana-j.livejournal.com/349769.html</a></p>
<p>The title alone is worth the click.</p>
<p>Thanks for covering this, Johanna.</p>
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		<title>By: Riot</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91424</link>
		<dc:creator>Riot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiously, Japanese creators are by and large the exclusive holders of the rights to their work. It's ironic, in a nasty way, that TokyoPop is promising to fulfill these kids' dreams while purposefully withholding the behind-the-scenes perks of being a professional mangaka.

Oooh, this boils my blood. I've loathed TokyoPop since they started out as Mixx Entertainment, and the more bloated they get the more there is to dislike. Add to this kind of abuse censorship, deliberate market-flooding tactics, and "Princess Ai", and you've got yourself a real Behemoth. Yuck. Ick.

I'm glad that comic blogs are keeping an eye on them. Manga newsgroups and blogs are so tame to pander to corporate interests that its as if they've blinded themselves to this kind of sleeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiously, Japanese creators are by and large the exclusive holders of the rights to their work. It&#8217;s ironic, in a nasty way, that TokyoPop is promising to fulfill these kids&#8217; dreams while purposefully withholding the behind-the-scenes perks of being a professional mangaka.</p>
<p>Oooh, this boils my blood. I&#8217;ve loathed TokyoPop since they started out as Mixx Entertainment, and the more bloated they get the more there is to dislike. Add to this kind of abuse censorship, deliberate market-flooding tactics, and &#8220;Princess Ai&#8221;, and you&#8217;ve got yourself a real Behemoth. Yuck. Ick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that comic blogs are keeping an eye on them. Manga newsgroups and blogs are so tame to pander to corporate interests that its as if they&#8217;ve blinded themselves to this kind of sleeze.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91423</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical TP hamfisted effort. By now, they could've grown a formidable OEL stable. Instead, they offer terms that ensure creators will walk away when their contracts are up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical TP hamfisted effort. By now, they could&#8217;ve grown a formidable OEL stable. Instead, they offer terms that ensure creators will walk away when their contracts are up.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/05/27/tokyopop-in-trouble-manga-pilots/#comment-91422</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe that's why they feel they have to -- not many licenses left, and those they have are, for the most part, not that appealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why they feel they have to &#8212; not many licenses left, and those they have are, for the most part, not that appealing.</p>
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