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	<title>Comments on: PR: What Not to Do: Excessive Pricing</title>
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		<title>By: Unfortunate News LinkBlogging &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-112217</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Buenaventura Press having closed at the beginning of the year (they were the ones who published the $125 Kramer’s Ergot 7, and weird, isn&#8217;t it, that they waited five months to say they were no longer selling?) into [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Buenaventura Press having closed at the beginning of the year (they were the ones who published the $125 Kramer’s Ergot 7, and weird, isn&#8217;t it, that they waited five months to say they were no longer selling?) into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kramers Ergot 7: the minicomic? &#124; Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources &#8211; Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kramers Ergot 7: the minicomic? &#124; Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources &#8211; Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] anthology series from editor Sammy Harkham and publisher Alvin Buenaventura -- was a famously, even infamously, grand production. And now...it&#039;s a [...]</description>
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<p>[...] anthology series from editor Sammy Harkham and publisher Alvin Buenaventura &#8212; was a famously, even infamously, grand production. And now&#8230;it&#39;s a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 96 pages, $125. Wait, what? - irrg! orrrrg!</title>
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		<dc:creator>96 pages, $125. Wait, what? - irrg! orrrrg!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some people can&#039;t really find agreement with the publisher&#039;s decision to make the 7th issue of anthology Gramers Ergot a $125, 96-page hardcover book. Plenty has been said and written about it but the follow up blog post on comicsworthreading.com tries to tone down the debate a bit by giving some explanation to why the book is so darn expensive. Last, the final word on Kramer&#039;s Ergot #7, the $125 anthology: Supporter Tom Spurgeon talks with editor Sammy Harkham about its contents, contributors, and the rationale behind the price point. Among the factors: due to its size, each copy has to be bound by hand. Custom shipping boxes had to be made. And the editor wanted to do an on-site press check, so he had to fly to Singapore. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Some people can&#8217;t really find agreement with the publisher&#8217;s decision to make the 7th issue of anthology Gramers Ergot a $125, 96-page hardcover book. Plenty has been said and written about it but the follow up blog post on comicsworthreading.com tries to tone down the debate a bit by giving some explanation to why the book is so darn expensive. Last, the final word on Kramer&#8217;s Ergot #7, the $125 anthology: Supporter Tom Spurgeon talks with editor Sammy Harkham about its contents, contributors, and the rationale behind the price point. Among the factors: due to its size, each copy has to be bound by hand. Custom shipping boxes had to be made. And the editor wanted to do an on-site press check, so he had to fly to Singapore. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Baltimore Comic-Con 2008: News From the Front &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-99008</link>
		<dc:creator>Baltimore Comic-Con 2008: News From the Front &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to chat briefly with Kevin McShane about the future of Toupydoops and why people were talking about Kramer&#8217;s Ergot; Joanna Estep about a fascinating-sounding series she&#8217;s going to be doing for ComicMix; and [...]</description>
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<p>[...] to chat briefly with Kevin McShane about the future of Toupydoops and why people were talking about Kramer&#8217;s Ergot; Joanna Estep about a fascinating-sounding series she&#8217;s going to be doing for ComicMix; and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote, Unquote</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-98374</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quote, Unquote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Sean T. Collins playing on the regular name of Johanna Draper Carlson&#8217;s blog series which recently focused on KE [...]</description>
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<p>[...] &#8211; Sean T. Collins playing on the regular name of Johanna Draper Carlson&#8217;s blog series which recently focused on KE [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creator Q&#38;A: Sammy Harkham</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97997</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creator Q&#38;A: Sammy Harkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] volume of the Kramer&#8217;s Ergot anthology, the high price and format of which have caused some consternation in the comics blogosphere: SPURGEON: Sammy, I know that you&#8217;re aware of some complaints about [...]</description>
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<p>[...] volume of the Kramer&#8217;s Ergot anthology, the high price and format of which have caused some consternation in the comics blogosphere: SPURGEON: Sammy, I know that you&#8217;re aware of some complaints about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: News Story Followup: Webcomics, Middleman, Expensive Printing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97982</link>
		<dc:creator>News Story Followup: Webcomics, Middleman, Expensive Printing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the final word on Kramer&#8217;s Ergot #7, the $125 anthology: Supporter Tom Spurgeon talks with editor Sammy Harkham about its contents, [...]</description>
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<p>[...] the final word on Kramer&#8217;s Ergot #7, the $125 anthology: Supporter Tom Spurgeon talks with editor Sammy Harkham about its contents, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan David Doane</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97969</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan David Doane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that, great piece that finally reveals what&#039;s in the book. Definitely not on my must-buy list, but YMMV.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Parile</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97968</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammy H on KE 7:

http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammy H on KE 7:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97738</link>
		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay I&#039;m ticked, House Season 4 came out on DVD today. That&#039;s usually good news, but despite there being less episodes than previous seasons (writer&#039;s strike) they didn&#039;t lower the price at all! I mean dang, nearly 400 less minutes this season, and no price decrease?? Now THAT&#039;S excessive pricing!

Oh, what&#039;s that got to do KE7, and its price? Nothing really, I just hadn&#039;t griped about prices of stuff this week yet.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I&#8217;m ticked, House Season 4 came out on DVD today. That&#8217;s usually good news, but despite there being less episodes than previous seasons (writer&#8217;s strike) they didn&#8217;t lower the price at all! I mean dang, nearly 400 less minutes this season, and no price decrease?? Now THAT&#8217;S excessive pricing!</p>
<p>Oh, what&#8217;s that got to do KE7, and its price? Nothing really, I just hadn&#8217;t griped about prices of stuff this week yet.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Harbin</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97737</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Harbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promised I was through, but this is actually relevant:  I&#039;ve said elsewhere that I thought I&#039;d probably order around 5 for our store (although the more I think about it, that might be excessive; but at least 3 or 4).  But today I was in the excellent (but sloppy, so incredibly sloppy) Bizarro Wuxtry comic shop in Athens GA, and brought up this topic with a member of the staff, who said he thought they&#039;d probably order, &quot;y&#039;know, 6 or 7 at least.&quot;  Now, this is a shop in a pretty big college community, with a pretty wide stock (although sloppy, so sloppy), and is definitely a big indie store, but still--six or seven is pretty studly.  I was impressed.  Anyone around Athens Georgia should support their local shop and buy one of those badboys at B. Wuxtry if they can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promised I was through, but this is actually relevant:  I&#8217;ve said elsewhere that I thought I&#8217;d probably order around 5 for our store (although the more I think about it, that might be excessive; but at least 3 or 4).  But today I was in the excellent (but sloppy, so incredibly sloppy) Bizarro Wuxtry comic shop in Athens GA, and brought up this topic with a member of the staff, who said he thought they&#8217;d probably order, &#8220;y&#8217;know, 6 or 7 at least.&#8221;  Now, this is a shop in a pretty big college community, with a pretty wide stock (although sloppy, so sloppy), and is definitely a big indie store, but still&#8211;six or seven is pretty studly.  I was impressed.  Anyone around Athens Georgia should support their local shop and buy one of those badboys at B. Wuxtry if they can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97735</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, that&#039;s less than $1 a comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, that&#8217;s less than $1 a comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97734</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I&#039;m sure some of us take PayPal.

Bill</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sure some of us take PayPal.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Bradford</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97733</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has been hilarious. Seriously, I want to thank you all. I never make it all the way through nutty discussions like this but here I am, at the bottom of this one. Heartfelt thanks for providing this free entertainment (although I admit I would&#039;ve willingly paid $125 for it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread has been hilarious. Seriously, I want to thank you all. I never make it all the way through nutty discussions like this but here I am, at the bottom of this one. Heartfelt thanks for providing this free entertainment (although I admit I would&#8217;ve willingly paid $125 for it).</p>
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		<title>By: zack soto</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97731</link>
		<dc:creator>zack soto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahaha. 

sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahaha. </p>
<p>sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tucker Stone</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97725</link>
		<dc:creator>Tucker Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Coil, you are the man!</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97724</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some posters keep stressing the size of the thing as if that justifies the price.

It doesn&#039;t, else plus-sized escorts would cost more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some posters keep stressing the size of the thing as if that justifies the price.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t, else plus-sized escorts would cost more.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Something</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97719</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its oversized, which is kind of hot right now and interesting, therefore its more expensive.  Buy it or don&#039;t.  Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its oversized, which is kind of hot right now and interesting, therefore its more expensive.  Buy it or don&#8217;t.  Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Teague</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97711</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Teague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw the Jonas brothers - who I love - on tv, they said the would be nothing without the fans.  Ally David Dont is right. It&#039;s people like him who made Alvin and Sammy what they are today, and this book is a cold slap in the face.  You&#039;d be nothing without us - how dare you! So until Sammy apologizes, I&#039;m saving up for 26 issues of the maxi series Infinity Crisis.  I&#039;m glad i can just admit in public that I am hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the Jonas brothers &#8211; who I love &#8211; on tv, they said the would be nothing without the fans.  Ally David Dont is right. It&#8217;s people like him who made Alvin and Sammy what they are today, and this book is a cold slap in the face.  You&#8217;d be nothing without us &#8211; how dare you! So until Sammy apologizes, I&#8217;m saving up for 26 issues of the maxi series Infinity Crisis.  I&#8217;m glad i can just admit in public that I am hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: knut</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2008/08/12/stupid-publisher-tricks-excessive-pricing/comment-page-3/#comment-97710</link>
		<dc:creator>knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also important to keep in mind that Buenaventura Press isn&#039;t selling the majority of these books for $125 a pop, they&#039;re probably selling them for somewhere between $50-$60 a pop (depending on what the distro deals are.) He might be able to move a small chunk of his stock at conventions or appearances for $125 a pop, but I&#039;m sure they factored in direct sales as a minor portion.

The real retail price of this book is $80 from Amazon.com. I think they are smart enough to realize that the majority of their sales will come from this. There would have to be a pretty damn good reason to drop an extra $50.

Looking at the distro price in that $50-$60 range, then factoring in the overhead of the books ridiculous print specs, shipping, and a payroll of 50 or so artists, the price is legit.

The real question is whether or not they should have done a book of this magnitude to begin with? Let&#039;s say the book was 32 x 42 and 200 pages. The price would probably be over $500. Sure, it would be cool but there would be no markey for it, and these guys are smart enough to know that. They are flirting with the boundries of their market by releasing a $125 volume, but I think in the end they will sell through them. There couldn&#039;t be that many copies in existence, I&#039;m goin to guess around 2000-3000 (will the number be released at some point?)

I think the argument that they are hurting the books relevance by pricing out casual observers is possibly legitimate. Casual observers are necessary to relevance (imo) but like Tom mentioned who are we to set this projects goals. Maybe it just wants to be a luxury item. There is always a market for luxury items in any business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also important to keep in mind that Buenaventura Press isn&#8217;t selling the majority of these books for $125 a pop, they&#8217;re probably selling them for somewhere between $50-$60 a pop (depending on what the distro deals are.) He might be able to move a small chunk of his stock at conventions or appearances for $125 a pop, but I&#8217;m sure they factored in direct sales as a minor portion.</p>
<p>The real retail price of this book is $80 from Amazon.com. I think they are smart enough to realize that the majority of their sales will come from this. There would have to be a pretty damn good reason to drop an extra $50.</p>
<p>Looking at the distro price in that $50-$60 range, then factoring in the overhead of the books ridiculous print specs, shipping, and a payroll of 50 or so artists, the price is legit.</p>
<p>The real question is whether or not they should have done a book of this magnitude to begin with? Let&#8217;s say the book was 32 x 42 and 200 pages. The price would probably be over $500. Sure, it would be cool but there would be no markey for it, and these guys are smart enough to know that. They are flirting with the boundries of their market by releasing a $125 volume, but I think in the end they will sell through them. There couldn&#8217;t be that many copies in existence, I&#8217;m goin to guess around 2000-3000 (will the number be released at some point?)</p>
<p>I think the argument that they are hurting the books relevance by pricing out casual observers is possibly legitimate. Casual observers are necessary to relevance (imo) but like Tom mentioned who are we to set this projects goals. Maybe it just wants to be a luxury item. There is always a market for luxury items in any business.</p>
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