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		<title>By: vid</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103849</link>
		<dc:creator>vid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This movie was entertaining with decent action and a well paced story.  However, that story had some rather obvious plot holes or contrivances.

How random was Kirk and old Spock&#039;s meeting?  Nero then the other Romulan are about to kill Kirk but the cliche distraction and unnecessary waiting occur to give Kirk the opportunity to escape death.  Worst of all too much reliance on the transporter which seemed to be not only grossly overused but in increasingly powerful manners which seemed to come by too easy.

The best part about this movie were the main TOS crew.  Their portrayals seemed familiar yet fresh although Uhura is given little to do other than being the love interest (not the only movie guilty of making the lone female&#039;s sole purpose to be in a relationship with a man).

McCoy was the best followed by Scotty.  Kirk, Spock, Sulu &amp; Chekov were adequate.

Nero on the other hand was one of the most generic villains ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This movie was entertaining with decent action and a well paced story.  However, that story had some rather obvious plot holes or contrivances.</p>
<p>How random was Kirk and old Spock&#8217;s meeting?  Nero then the other Romulan are about to kill Kirk but the cliche distraction and unnecessary waiting occur to give Kirk the opportunity to escape death.  Worst of all too much reliance on the transporter which seemed to be not only grossly overused but in increasingly powerful manners which seemed to come by too easy.</p>
<p>The best part about this movie were the main TOS crew.  Their portrayals seemed familiar yet fresh although Uhura is given little to do other than being the love interest (not the only movie guilty of making the lone female&#8217;s sole purpose to be in a relationship with a man).</p>
<p>McCoy was the best followed by Scotty.  Kirk, Spock, Sulu &amp; Chekov were adequate.</p>
<p>Nero on the other hand was one of the most generic villains ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103847</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Johanna.  That would have been truly disturbing!</description>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103846</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we didn&#039;t hear the theme song&#039;s lyrics! THAT would have been truly retro.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris G.</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103845</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the stick shift on a sports car work the same way it would on a car from the 1930s?

I loved that this movie restored these characters&#039; youth.  It was the first time we got to see the sorts of fisticuffs and absurd action (the platform fight, the Romulan catwalks) that were a hallmark of the original series.  And the score was a blast -- I think this was the first movie to treat the original series&#039; music as something to be embraced rather than given a brief nod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the stick shift on a sports car work the same way it would on a car from the 1930s?</p>
<p>I loved that this movie restored these characters&#8217; youth.  It was the first time we got to see the sorts of fisticuffs and absurd action (the platform fight, the Romulan catwalks) that were a hallmark of the original series.  And the score was a blast &#8212; I think this was the first movie to treat the original series&#8217; music as something to be embraced rather than given a brief nod.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103839</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so neat, that you know that! I like hearing stories like this. Especially with Spock&#039;s dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so neat, that you know that! I like hearing stories like this. Especially with Spock&#8217;s dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali T. Kokmen</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103836</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali T. Kokmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fan knows Kirk couldn&#039;t drive stick? Was this a joke from the fourth movie or something? That strikes me as obscure knowledge. Yet funny.&quot;

Oh, I think we&#039;re talking earlier than the fourth movie... ;-)

If I can indulge in a bit of nerddom (we&#039;re all friends here, right?), I imagine the reference is to the ST:TOS episode &quot;A Piece of the Action&quot; where Kirk, visiting a planet based on 1930&#039;s Chicago-gangster culture, has difficulty driving a period car.  &quot;I believe they had a device called a clutch,&quot; Spock politely suggests, as Kirk grinds the gears.

And just to put the cherry on top of nerddom, I believe that episode was the first (and maybe only) instance of the Trek crew driving a land vehicle until, I dunno, the dune buggies in Star Trek: Nemesis, or some scene with a pick up truck in Voyager or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fan knows Kirk couldn&#8217;t drive stick? Was this a joke from the fourth movie or something? That strikes me as obscure knowledge. Yet funny.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I think we&#8217;re talking earlier than the fourth movie&#8230; ;-)</p>
<p>If I can indulge in a bit of nerddom (we&#8217;re all friends here, right?), I imagine the reference is to the ST:TOS episode &#8220;A Piece of the Action&#8221; where Kirk, visiting a planet based on 1930&#8242;s Chicago-gangster culture, has difficulty driving a period car.  &#8220;I believe they had a device called a clutch,&#8221; Spock politely suggests, as Kirk grinds the gears.</p>
<p>And just to put the cherry on top of nerddom, I believe that episode was the first (and maybe only) instance of the Trek crew driving a land vehicle until, I dunno, the dune buggies in Star Trek: Nemesis, or some scene with a pick up truck in Voyager or something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Contact is still the best Star Trek movie, at least they fixed the timeline!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Contact is still the best Star Trek movie, at least they fixed the timeline!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103830</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fan knows Kirk couldn&#039;t drive stick? Was this a joke from the fourth movie or something? That strikes me as obscure knowledge. Yet funny.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103829</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Young Kirk scene was also to emphasize to the fans that his life was different growing up.  (The fan knows that he couldn&#039;t drive a stick shift in what we now may call the Prime universe - but in this universe stepdad must have liked classic cars.)

The Temporal Cold War from the television series Star Trek: Enterprise has already messed with the timeline, so arguably the changes wrought by Nero aren&#039;t the only changes having an effect on the characters.  Newcomers don&#039;t know this, but don&#039;t need to know this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Young Kirk scene was also to emphasize to the fans that his life was different growing up.  (The fan knows that he couldn&#8217;t drive a stick shift in what we now may call the Prime universe &#8211; but in this universe stepdad must have liked classic cars.)</p>
<p>The Temporal Cold War from the television series Star Trek: Enterprise has already messed with the timeline, so arguably the changes wrought by Nero aren&#8217;t the only changes having an effect on the characters.  Newcomers don&#8217;t know this, but don&#8217;t need to know this.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103821</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, good point. I figured Kirk had the same superpower Bond does: the ability to take great amounts of punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good point. I figured Kirk had the same superpower Bond does: the ability to take great amounts of punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103820</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seemed to me that Kirk got his behind kicked a lot in this movie. I mean, every time we turned around, Kirk was getting thumped on.  And thumped on badly.

I don&#039;t know if Spock or Bones will let this Kirk get too big for his britches.  They kept him tethered in the previous series.

That said, I liked Picard better as a captain.  He was more of an Explorer than an Adventurer.  And I think that&#039;s part of what makes Kirk, Kirk.  He is an Adventurer first and foremost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seemed to me that Kirk got his behind kicked a lot in this movie. I mean, every time we turned around, Kirk was getting thumped on.  And thumped on badly.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Spock or Bones will let this Kirk get too big for his britches.  They kept him tethered in the previous series.</p>
<p>That said, I liked Picard better as a captain.  He was more of an Explorer than an Adventurer.  And I think that&#8217;s part of what makes Kirk, Kirk.  He is an Adventurer first and foremost.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103804</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>st,

no, I&#039;m annoyed because you didn&#039;t post your message in Klingon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>st,</p>
<p>no, I&#8217;m annoyed because you didn&#8217;t post your message in Klingon.</p>
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		<title>By: James Moar</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103803</link>
		<dc:creator>James Moar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>st, I think the use of time travel to make the later series unhappen was quite deliberate. It frees this movie (and maybe more importantly any sequels) from the overly cozy effect of being a prequel to a future we know is going to happen. Instead, everything&#039;s uncertain again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>st, I think the use of time travel to make the later series unhappen was quite deliberate. It frees this movie (and maybe more importantly any sequels) from the overly cozy effect of being a prequel to a future we know is going to happen. Instead, everything&#8217;s uncertain again.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzene</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103802</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not especially; creating a new alternate reality doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that the old one was destroyed (divergent timelines for the win, as they say), and I doubt that the production of stories for the other five series is going to come to a halt anyway. I do like the reassurance that the reboot isn&#039;t going to be straight retread of the older material, but new stories grounded in the spirit of the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not especially; creating a new alternate reality doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the old one was destroyed (divergent timelines for the win, as they say), and I doubt that the production of stories for the other five series is going to come to a halt anyway. I do like the reassurance that the reboot isn&#8217;t going to be straight retread of the older material, but new stories grounded in the spirit of the original.</p>
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		<title>By: st</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103800</link>
		<dc:creator>st</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is any1 else annoyed bcoz the vulcan homeworld was blown up &amp; the star trek timeline wasnt fixed so then this is an alternate universe &amp; therfore evrythin n the normal stryline n star trek series ie enterprise, star trek, next generation, deep space 9 n voyager as well as other movies did not happen for example no vulcan homeworld then no Tuvok n voyager &amp; the federation is certainly not the same without Vulcan, good movie but there was jus no need to go with a time travel theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is any1 else annoyed bcoz the vulcan homeworld was blown up &amp; the star trek timeline wasnt fixed so then this is an alternate universe &amp; therfore evrythin n the normal stryline n star trek series ie enterprise, star trek, next generation, deep space 9 n voyager as well as other movies did not happen for example no vulcan homeworld then no Tuvok n voyager &amp; the federation is certainly not the same without Vulcan, good movie but there was jus no need to go with a time travel theme.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/05/08/star-trek/comment-page-1/#comment-103795</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I&#039;m just now watching Saturday Night Live, and while the appearance by Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto was total product placement, the surprise guest was terrific! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-feature-star-trek/1099561/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Check it out&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#8217;m just now watching Saturday Night Live, and while the appearance by Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto was total product placement, the surprise guest was terrific! <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-feature-star-trek/1099561/" rel="nofollow">Check it out</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, John, although the crew&#039;s relative youth could explain some of their more impulsive/unusual decisions in future installments. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, John, although the crew&#8217;s relative youth could explain some of their more impulsive/unusual decisions in future installments. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Perry -- that sense of optimism is one of the reasons I wanted to see the film. I&#039;m tired of bleak futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Perry &#8212; that sense of optimism is one of the reasons I wanted to see the film. I&#8217;m tired of bleak futures.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the movie, but have a rather large problem with one of the &#039;continuity&#039; changes made: in ST:TOS the crew of the Enterprise earned their postings there over some period of time (cf Kirk as Ensign on the USS Farragut etc) but in this series, 5 of the 7 major characters are just out of academy training and by the end of the movie are now the senior bridge crew (and Kirk is Captain!)on Starfleet&#039;s new flagship? - this is so incredibly unlikely that it reminds me yet again of how Star Trek disappeared up its own collective fundamental orifice the first time around: everybody concerned believing the hype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the movie, but have a rather large problem with one of the &#8216;continuity&#8217; changes made: in ST:TOS the crew of the Enterprise earned their postings there over some period of time (cf Kirk as Ensign on the USS Farragut etc) but in this series, 5 of the 7 major characters are just out of academy training and by the end of the movie are now the senior bridge crew (and Kirk is Captain!)on Starfleet&#8217;s new flagship? &#8211; this is so incredibly unlikely that it reminds me yet again of how Star Trek disappeared up its own collective fundamental orifice the first time around: everybody concerned believing the hype&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 06:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just liked that...to an extent, all the characters got moments to be impressive, without feeling crowded.  The villains felt like an afterthought, but I was to involved with the heroes to care in the long run.  This was just a fun summer spectacle.

And that may bother some Star Trek fans, but frankly, I never bought the heady claims of the show or movies.  Of the three best films, two are not any deeper than revenge is a dangerous emotion to feed and one was save the whales.  The weakest films tried to have overly deep messages.

And the supposed subtext of the various series were pretty shallow, in spite of fan hype.  The franchise needed a kick in the bottom...and this film accomplished it.

And really, Tor, maybe you could explain what Johanna got so wrong?  She made no claims of an in depth review...she addressed what she liked and did not like in a rather brief couple of paragraphs.  If you are going to claim people got it all wrong-support your claims.  Point out why you disagree, polite dissent is not a bad thing.  Otherwise you are just being a pissy fan boy.  Johanna is hardly afraid of dialog.  Try it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just liked that&#8230;to an extent, all the characters got moments to be impressive, without feeling crowded.  The villains felt like an afterthought, but I was to involved with the heroes to care in the long run.  This was just a fun summer spectacle.</p>
<p>And that may bother some Star Trek fans, but frankly, I never bought the heady claims of the show or movies.  Of the three best films, two are not any deeper than revenge is a dangerous emotion to feed and one was save the whales.  The weakest films tried to have overly deep messages.</p>
<p>And the supposed subtext of the various series were pretty shallow, in spite of fan hype.  The franchise needed a kick in the bottom&#8230;and this film accomplished it.</p>
<p>And really, Tor, maybe you could explain what Johanna got so wrong?  She made no claims of an in depth review&#8230;she addressed what she liked and did not like in a rather brief couple of paragraphs.  If you are going to claim people got it all wrong-support your claims.  Point out why you disagree, polite dissent is not a bad thing.  Otherwise you are just being a pissy fan boy.  Johanna is hardly afraid of dialog.  Try it!</p>
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