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		<title>By: Thad</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/17/the-hypocrisy-of-file-sharers/comment-page-1/#comment-107326</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think any illegal downloading must come with some measure of rationalization and subjective morality.  (Unless it&#039;s not done knowingly, I suppose.)  And I include myself in that.

Frankly I&#039;m not sure how I&#039;d react if I contributed to a product that was pirated -- frankly I&#039;ve never worked on anything anyone was that interested in.  I like to think I&#039;d consider it just the nature of business at this point, and try to focus on the people who WERE paying for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any illegal downloading must come with some measure of rationalization and subjective morality.  (Unless it&#8217;s not done knowingly, I suppose.)  And I include myself in that.</p>
<p>Frankly I&#8217;m not sure how I&#8217;d react if I contributed to a product that was pirated &#8212; frankly I&#8217;ve never worked on anything anyone was that interested in.  I like to think I&#8217;d consider it just the nature of business at this point, and try to focus on the people who WERE paying for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Bougie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Bougie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a very fine line I&#039;ve drawn... because like you say, it is a tough subject, and a subject with a lot of shades of gray and a lot of room for personal stances. People taking a hardline black-or-white approach to it are justified to do that as well, but I think it is shortsighted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very fine line I&#8217;ve drawn&#8230; because like you say, it is a tough subject, and a subject with a lot of shades of gray and a lot of room for personal stances. People taking a hardline black-or-white approach to it are justified to do that as well, but I think it is shortsighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Towle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Towle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bands make all of their money from touring so giving the music away and getting lots of new fans is brilliant marketing.&quot;

I spent several years on and off as a touring musician and I&#039;ll never figure out where people get ideas like this.  There were many, many nights where the sales of as few as two or three CDs at a show meant the difference between sleeping in the van and getting a real hotel room, for example.  If it is in fact the case that recorded music is now just some sort of a promotional tool, it is this way &lt;i&gt;precisely because&lt;/i&gt; people will no longer purchase it.  It&#039;s not &quot;brilliant marketing&quot;; it&#039;s a state of affairs that exists whether musicians like it or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bands make all of their money from touring so giving the music away and getting lots of new fans is brilliant marketing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I spent several years on and off as a touring musician and I&#8217;ll never figure out where people get ideas like this.  There were many, many nights where the sales of as few as two or three CDs at a show meant the difference between sleeping in the van and getting a real hotel room, for example.  If it is in fact the case that recorded music is now just some sort of a promotional tool, it is this way <i>precisely because</i> people will no longer purchase it.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;brilliant marketing&#8221;; it&#8217;s a state of affairs that exists whether musicians like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hov. 18, 2009: Their level headed best</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hov. 18, 2009: Their level headed best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also looks at a bit of file-sharing hypocrisy, while Matt Blind offers a lengthy examination of digital piracy [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if the last post posted...

&gt;&gt;I&#039;ve occasionally downloaded a movie I own on DVD just because it&#039;s easier to put it on computer or iPod that way. (And I&#039;m not going to pay again just to use a different screen.)&lt;&lt;

It&#039;d probably be easier/less risk of some nasty lawsuit letter from the MPAA/RIAA to also rip the DVD to your computer using a program like Handbrake (Mac, Windows and Linux versions available).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if the last post posted&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;I&#8217;ve occasionally downloaded a movie I own on DVD just because it&#8217;s easier to put it on computer or iPod that way. (And I&#8217;m not going to pay again just to use a different screen.)&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>It&#039;d probably be easier/less risk of some nasty lawsuit letter from the MPAA/RIAA to also rip the DVD to your computer using a program like Handbrake (Mac, Windows and Linux versions available).</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, I don&#039;t comment on LiveJournal posts because I don&#039;t have an account there. And yeah, it&#039;s natural for him to be upset, and I did appreciate the way he changed his opinion based on feedback. 

Robin, I find your distinction a very fine line to draw, and I suspect it won&#039;t work for many users, who just want what they want the way they want it (which often includes &quot;cheaper than it&#039;s being offered for legitimately&quot;). It&#039;s a tough subject, all the more so when your work is directly involved. Thanks for coming by and clarifying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I don&#8217;t comment on LiveJournal posts because I don&#8217;t have an account there. And yeah, it&#8217;s natural for him to be upset, and I did appreciate the way he changed his opinion based on feedback. </p>
<p>Robin, I find your distinction a very fine line to draw, and I suspect it won&#8217;t work for many users, who just want what they want the way they want it (which often includes &#8220;cheaper than it&#8217;s being offered for legitimately&#8221;). It&#8217;s a tough subject, all the more so when your work is directly involved. Thanks for coming by and clarifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian C Payne</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/17/the-hypocrisy-of-file-sharers/comment-page-1/#comment-107285</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Robin Bougie has every right to be outraged that someone made his work available for free online without his permission. I also think that if he meant his work to be a print only product as it&#039;s creator that is his prerogative and although it may seem archaic and quaint to some even they have to admit that the printed page requires an entirely different set of aesthetics than that of the computer screen. 

As to your hypothesis on Robin&#039;s hypocrisy and human nature in general I&#039;ll leave that to you all to argue among yourselves. I myself have never downloaded anything for free or without permission. However,didn&#039;t Bougie just ask readers of his journal for some friendly advice and there own views on this subject? So, in my opinion, it would have been better for you to have offered your own views on the matter there rather than &quot;getting outraged in public&quot; yourself. Two wrongs don&#039;t make one right and that applies to illegal downloading as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Robin Bougie has every right to be outraged that someone made his work available for free online without his permission. I also think that if he meant his work to be a print only product as it&#8217;s creator that is his prerogative and although it may seem archaic and quaint to some even they have to admit that the printed page requires an entirely different set of aesthetics than that of the computer screen. </p>
<p>As to your hypothesis on Robin&#8217;s hypocrisy and human nature in general I&#8217;ll leave that to you all to argue among yourselves. I myself have never downloaded anything for free or without permission. However,didn&#8217;t Bougie just ask readers of his journal for some friendly advice and there own views on this subject? So, in my opinion, it would have been better for you to have offered your own views on the matter there rather than &#8220;getting outraged in public&#8221; yourself. Two wrongs don&#8217;t make one right and that applies to illegal downloading as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Bougie</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/17/the-hypocrisy-of-file-sharers/comment-page-1/#comment-107282</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Bougie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the words, but I really don&#039;t think what I said about downloading rare out-of-print movies as compared to  downloading what I&#039;m involved with was a contradiction. 

*Torrenting something that is readily and easily available from the creator (who has no other means of making a profit outside of selling it) is a dick move -- no matter how you justify it.

*Torrenting something that has, for all intents and purposes, been abandoned to the sands of time and is not readily available in any home format is a fantastic way to keep that thing alive and enjoyed by a whole new generation.

Saying I&#039;m hypocritical for standing up for one while decrying the other seems kinda unfair to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the words, but I really don&#8217;t think what I said about downloading rare out-of-print movies as compared to  downloading what I&#8217;m involved with was a contradiction. </p>
<p>*Torrenting something that is readily and easily available from the creator (who has no other means of making a profit outside of selling it) is a dick move &#8212; no matter how you justify it.</p>
<p>*Torrenting something that has, for all intents and purposes, been abandoned to the sands of time and is not readily available in any home format is a fantastic way to keep that thing alive and enjoyed by a whole new generation.</p>
<p>Saying I&#8217;m hypocritical for standing up for one while decrying the other seems kinda unfair to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thom, that&#039;s an accurate version of how some people react, supporting people who agree with them. Funny! 

Alex, I think you&#039;re right about the portability. Even when something is online or digital, people want it convenient for them without restriction. I&#039;ve occasionally downloaded a movie I own on DVD just because it&#039;s easier to put it on computer or iPod that way. (And I&#039;m not going to pay again just to use a different screen.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom, that&#8217;s an accurate version of how some people react, supporting people who agree with them. Funny! </p>
<p>Alex, I think you&#8217;re right about the portability. Even when something is online or digital, people want it convenient for them without restriction. I&#8217;ve occasionally downloaded a movie I own on DVD just because it&#8217;s easier to put it on computer or iPod that way. (And I&#8217;m not going to pay again just to use a different screen.)</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/17/the-hypocrisy-of-file-sharers/comment-page-1/#comment-107254</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Getting stuff I want for free? Cool. People getting something I&#039;m involved in for free instead of paying me? Sucks. 

Yup, that&#039;s why it cannot be rationalized.

I can&#039;t wait for the day 3D printers become the norm.  Then everything would become &quot;intellectual property.&quot;  Oh, the mess we&#039;ll have then...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Getting stuff I want for free? Cool. People getting something I&#8217;m involved in for free instead of paying me? Sucks. </p>
<p>Yup, that&#8217;s why it cannot be rationalized.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait for the day 3D printers become the norm.  Then everything would become &#8220;intellectual property.&#8221;  Oh, the mess we&#8217;ll have then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only torrent from people who get irate about it.  Stickin&#039; it to the man and all that.  You complain about someone torrenting your product?  I download it.  You say it it doesn&#039;t matter to you?  I buy it.  ;)

(I kid, I kid)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only torrent from people who get irate about it.  Stickin&#8217; it to the man and all that.  You complain about someone torrenting your product?  I download it.  You say it it doesn&#8217;t matter to you?  I buy it.  ;)</p>
<p>(I kid, I kid)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex de Campi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex de Campi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve thought a lot about this with VALENTINE, and it&#039;s one of the reasons we&#039;ll be releasing the book under a creative commons licence. I&#039;ve stolen enough stuff in my life that if someone decides they can&#039;t afford or don&#039;t want to pay the 99 cents per episode, and they want to put in the time to torrent it or search out a free version, they can have it. If they like it, maybe they&#039;ll put something in our tip jar on the website (that I still haven&#039;t gotten around to building yet). 

The ePub versions will be fairly easy to rip; the iPhone app versions a little harder. 

Ironically: you know that the most-torrented non-superhero comic is... Freakangels? You know, THE FREE COMIC. 

People want things in a portable electronic format. And print comics are still hard to find - many of us don&#039;t live near an LCS or if we do, it doesn&#039;t handle indie comics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought a lot about this with VALENTINE, and it&#8217;s one of the reasons we&#8217;ll be releasing the book under a creative commons licence. I&#8217;ve stolen enough stuff in my life that if someone decides they can&#8217;t afford or don&#8217;t want to pay the 99 cents per episode, and they want to put in the time to torrent it or search out a free version, they can have it. If they like it, maybe they&#8217;ll put something in our tip jar on the website (that I still haven&#8217;t gotten around to building yet). </p>
<p>The ePub versions will be fairly easy to rip; the iPhone app versions a little harder. </p>
<p>Ironically: you know that the most-torrented non-superhero comic is&#8230; Freakangels? You know, THE FREE COMIC. </p>
<p>People want things in a portable electronic format. And print comics are still hard to find &#8211; many of us don&#8217;t live near an LCS or if we do, it doesn&#8217;t handle indie comics.</p>
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