Comments on: Entitlement Much? Demanding Print Comics in Return for Coverage http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/ Independent Opinions on Comics of All Kinds Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:42:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Johanna http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107522 Johanna Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:20:48 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107522 I prefer print myself, for reasons of fidelity of reproduction, and they are easier to read and use, in my opinion. But where that matters for me is in determining what to cover. If a print book is just ok, I'm more likely to talk about it than if a PDF is just ok, because the latter is easier to discard without feeling guilty. Still, I understand that a PDF is much easier for a publisher for a multitude of reasons. I prefer print myself, for reasons of fidelity of reproduction, and they are easier to read and use, in my opinion. But where that matters for me is in determining what to cover. If a print book is just ok, I’m more likely to talk about it than if a PDF is just ok, because the latter is easier to discard without feeling guilty. Still, I understand that a PDF is much easier for a publisher for a multitude of reasons.

]]> By: Chris Allen http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107520 Chris Allen Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:50:31 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107520 Good work, Johanna. We see wacky, obnoxious and self-deluded creators and self-publishers all the time. I guess it was inevitable to find a reviewer like that. It's true--we reviewers do prefer the book to the pdf, because we can either put it on a shelf or sell/trade it if it wasn't to our liking, but I'm generally happy if a publisher sends me anything. I wouldn't dream of dictating terms to them, and in such a self-important, angry manner. I can totally understand not running press releases at all but find the quid pro quo angle of only running them where a review copy is provided to be...icky. Good work, Johanna. We see wacky, obnoxious and self-deluded creators and self-publishers all the time. I guess it was inevitable to find a reviewer like that. It’s true–we reviewers do prefer the book to the pdf, because we can either put it on a shelf or sell/trade it if it wasn’t to our liking, but I’m generally happy if a publisher sends me anything. I wouldn’t dream of dictating terms to them, and in such a self-important, angry manner. I can totally understand not running press releases at all but find the quid pro quo angle of only running them where a review copy is provided to be…icky.

]]> By: Johnny B http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107515 Johnny B Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:32:57 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107515 Hard to sell PDFs on the eBay or at the comics shop... Hard to sell PDFs on the eBay or at the comics shop…

]]> By: Alan Coil http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107496 Alan Coil Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:33:45 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107496 If what Jonny Brown says is true, Terry Hooper might indeed be another Olney. If what Jonny Brown says is true, Terry Hooper might indeed be another Olney.

]]> By: Jonny Brown http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107494 Jonny Brown Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:37:24 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107494 > maybe he's better known across the pond Yeah, for claiming copyright on a load of characters he doesn't own to the point of getting a court order put against him by a DC Comics subsidiary and falling out with almost everyone with any influence in the comics scene by his bad-tempered and often wrong attitude. > maybe he’s better known across the pond

Yeah, for claiming copyright on a load of characters he doesn’t own to the point of getting a court order put against him by a DC Comics subsidiary and falling out with almost everyone with any influence in the comics scene by his bad-tempered and often wrong attitude.

]]> By: Johanna http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107489 Johanna Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:12:32 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107489 Inspired by James, I went off and read more of his site, and I've updated the original post with more interesting links. Inspired by James, I went off and read more of his site, and I’ve updated the original post with more interesting links.

]]> By: Johanna http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107487 Johanna Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:59:28 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107487 Thanks for doing that research, James. The post you link to was put up in July, based on URL, so this is obviously something that's been bothering Hooper for some time. Thanks for doing that research, James. The post you link to was put up in July, based on URL, so this is obviously something that’s been bothering Hooper for some time.

]]> By: James Schee http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107486 James Schee Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:28:35 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107486 Very... odd. I'd never heard of the CBO site either, so I spent a little bit of time going through it. I even took Mr. Hooper's suggestion of searching on the site for what legal problems there would be in handling PDFs. Didn't have much luck with that, lots of pages with reasons such as potential virus problems, or dislike of the format, to one case where a PDF never became an actual comic. I only went back four or five screens worth of so maybe I missed it. My biggest concern is the feeling of "if you don't give me the book, I won't cover it" is an incredibly bad approach for a reviewer to take. Not only do you limit what you see, but it would call in question issues like integrity of the coverage. Especially after seeing this one post http://tinyurl.com/ykf98rc Where the writer says that the site can't survive without items to review. Especially given that he no longer shops at his local comic shop. Then he goes on to talk about how despite his (there is a lot of "We" on his site but I have yet to see another contributor) apparent mission to provide a site free of DC/Marvel content he may change that soon. Like I said just a very odd approach. He seems to want to setup some business partnership with small press creators, publishers and the like. Yet given that so few of those people are really business people, I don't think he's going to get that far with it. I guess good luck to him though, he's certainly taking a rather... unique approach. Very… odd.

I’d never heard of the CBO site either, so I spent a little bit of time going through it. I even took Mr. Hooper’s suggestion of searching on the site for what legal problems there would be in handling PDFs.

Didn’t have much luck with that, lots of pages with reasons such as potential virus problems, or dislike of the format, to one case where a PDF never became an actual comic. I only went back four or five screens worth of so maybe I missed it.

My biggest concern is the feeling of “if you don’t give me the book, I won’t cover it” is an incredibly bad approach for a reviewer to take. Not only do you limit what you see, but it would call in question issues like integrity of the coverage.

Especially after seeing this one post
http://tinyurl.com/ykf98rc

Where the writer says that the site can’t survive without items to review. Especially given that he no longer shops at his local comic shop.

Then he goes on to talk about how despite his (there is a lot of “We” on his site but I have yet to see another contributor) apparent mission to provide a site free of DC/Marvel content he may change that soon.

Like I said just a very odd approach. He seems to want to setup some business partnership with small press creators, publishers and the like. Yet given that so few of those people are really business people, I don’t think he’s going to get that far with it.

I guess good luck to him though, he’s certainly taking a rather… unique approach.

]]> By: Alan Coil http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107458 Alan Coil Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:04:49 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107458 I have been known to throw an insult or two for no reason, but this time I think there is a reason. Hooper, your apparent lack of knowledge about grammar, punctuation, and even common usage of the space key shows me that you are not qualified to review any book of any kind. Additionally, your attitude comes off as offensive, and it would be no loss to the online world if you were banned from the internet. I have been known to throw an insult or two for no reason, but this time I think there is a reason.

Hooper, your apparent lack of knowledge about grammar, punctuation, and even common usage of the space key shows me that you are not qualified to review any book of any kind. Additionally, your attitude comes off as offensive, and it would be no loss to the online world if you were banned from the internet.

]]> By: Johanna http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107457 Johanna Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:21:03 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107457 Terry, I think your posts at CBO speak for themselves, so I didn't feel a need to get clarification. I understand why you'd feel insulted by what I said, but what additional information do you think exists that would put your statements in a different light? Terry, I think your posts at CBO speak for themselves, so I didn’t feel a need to get clarification. I understand why you’d feel insulted by what I said, but what additional information do you think exists that would put your statements in a different light?

]]> By: Terry Hooper http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107456 Terry Hooper Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:59:30 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107456 Why not ask about these things instead of being insulting for no reason? CBO gets international coverage and more. Never heard of Comics Worth Reading myself but do I insult it? No. But,if this is one-sided to get attention,oh well. Why not ask about these things instead of being insulting for no reason? CBO gets international coverage and more. Never heard of Comics Worth Reading myself but do I insult it? No.
But,if this is one-sided to get attention,oh well.

]]> By: Augie De Blieck Jr. http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107455 Augie De Blieck Jr. Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:32:11 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107455 Bean ha ha. The only legal trouble I could imagine him getting into is distributing the PDFs via Torrent or something. Bean ha ha. The only legal trouble I could imagine him getting into is distributing the PDFs via Torrent or something.

]]> By: Marc Mason http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107453 Marc Mason Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:35:05 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107453 That's just nauseatingly stupid. Though perhaps charming to see that it isn't just American geeks that have such poor manners. ;-) That’s just nauseatingly stupid. Though perhaps charming to see that it isn’t just American geeks that have such poor manners. ;-)

]]> By: Rob McMonigal http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107452 Rob McMonigal Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:00:31 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107452 Wow. I mean, I haven't been given a review copy of anything as of yet, but I'd be more than happy with a PDF. I'd feel flattered for the recognition that people think what I say matters. Sounds to me like it's a "review site" mostly to score free stuff. Wow.

I mean, I haven’t been given a review copy of anything as of yet, but I’d be more than happy with a PDF. I’d feel flattered for the recognition that people think what I say matters.

Sounds to me like it’s a “review site” mostly to score free stuff.

]]> By: Alan Coil http://comicsworthreading.com/2009/11/27/entitlement-much-demanding-print-comics-in-return-for-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-107450 Alan Coil Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:13:43 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=9592#comment-107450 Does CBO stand for Comic Book Olney? Reads like it. ;) Does CBO stand for Comic Book Olney? Reads like it. ;)

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