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		<title>By: Brieanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-115987</link>
		<dc:creator>Brieanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To each his/her own.  I am a cosplay model and have put a lot of money, time, and talent into my costumes and photography.  If Zenescope is so kind to recognize that by giving me a &quot;girl of the month&quot; title and enters me in a chance for tickets and hotel for SDCC, well that would just be awesome.  I&#039;ve seen many cosplay reasons for Cosplay.  Some are able to get &quot;booth babe&quot; gigs, future cosplay model recognition deals for cosplaying for new comics, joy of winning a contest, and yes...attention.  That attention however takes some of them farther and where they want to go with it i.e. another skill/trade/talent on a resume, fans for blog, theatre or cover models, and helps them make ready able to sale prints as well.  They are models, not girls.  Every comic scene now days has a sexy theme to it whether it is a sexy cover or a twisted and sexy story.  If we&#039;re going to point fingers and blame women for being all sexy and showing cleavage...better start calling EVERY comic artists and company out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To each his/her own.  I am a cosplay model and have put a lot of money, time, and talent into my costumes and photography.  If Zenescope is so kind to recognize that by giving me a &#8220;girl of the month&#8221; title and enters me in a chance for tickets and hotel for SDCC, well that would just be awesome.  I&#8217;ve seen many cosplay reasons for Cosplay.  Some are able to get &#8220;booth babe&#8221; gigs, future cosplay model recognition deals for cosplaying for new comics, joy of winning a contest, and yes&#8230;attention.  That attention however takes some of them farther and where they want to go with it i.e. another skill/trade/talent on a resume, fans for blog, theatre or cover models, and helps them make ready able to sale prints as well.  They are models, not girls.  Every comic scene now days has a sexy theme to it whether it is a sexy cover or a twisted and sexy story.  If we&#8217;re going to point fingers and blame women for being all sexy and showing cleavage&#8230;better start calling EVERY comic artists and company out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Horse Runs Contest to Build Mailing List &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-111296</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Horse Runs Contest to Build Mailing List &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this year, I criticized Zenescope for running contests instead of paying photo models. Now, Dark Horse is doing the same thing (only without as much [...]</description>
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<p>[...] this year, I criticized Zenescope for running contests instead of paying photo models. Now, Dark Horse is doing the same thing (only without as much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s About Keeping It Classy&#8230; Part 2 &#171; In One Ear&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108518</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s About Keeping It Classy&#8230; Part 2 &#171; In One Ear&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] include writers for Zenescope and some of the girls who have won among others) and Johanna at Comics Worth Reading suggest that this is exploitation plain and [...]</description>
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<p>[...] include writers for Zenescope and some of the girls who have won among others) and Johanna at Comics Worth Reading suggest that this is exploitation plain and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NoahB</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108472</link>
		<dc:creator>NoahB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when the Baffler was running, they had an article about unpaid interns.  The author of the article commented that just because someone was young, and stupid, and quite possibly well off, that did not change the fact that it was ethically wrong to exploit and underpay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when the Baffler was running, they had an article about unpaid interns.  The author of the article commented that just because someone was young, and stupid, and quite possibly well off, that did not change the fact that it was ethically wrong to exploit and underpay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108424</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thatâ€™s a completely unfair statement. The creators got way more than that over the years. They certainly should have received more. But stating they only got $5 is silly.&quot;

I meant that as a hypothetical, not a literal statement of fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thatâ€™s a completely unfair statement. The creators got way more than that over the years. They certainly should have received more. But stating they only got $5 is silly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I meant that as a hypothetical, not a literal statement of fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108423</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your rant is ill-informed.  They require copies of each contestant&#039;s drivers license before consideration; the comment on &quot;eploitation of minors&quot; is rediculous.  The contest never implies that the &quot;Booth Babes&quot; are being banished.  If you don&#039;t like what Zenescope is doing, by all means, avoid their forums- which beyond the last page of some of their comics, is the only place you will encounter this contest.  It&#039;s their right to run it, as it is each girls (no, WOMAN&#039;s) right to enter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your rant is ill-informed.  They require copies of each contestant&#8217;s drivers license before consideration; the comment on &#8220;eploitation of minors&#8221; is rediculous.  The contest never implies that the &#8220;Booth Babes&#8221; are being banished.  If you don&#8217;t like what Zenescope is doing, by all means, avoid their forums- which beyond the last page of some of their comics, is the only place you will encounter this contest.  It&#8217;s their right to run it, as it is each girls (no, WOMAN&#8217;s) right to enter.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108422</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree that its unfair to only give the creators of Superman 5 bucks when the property makes a billion dollars.&quot;

That&#039;s a completely unfair statement. The creators got way more than that over the years. They certainly should have received more. But stating they only got $5 is silly.

Btw, it&#039;s Zenescope, not Zenescape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree that its unfair to only give the creators of Superman 5 bucks when the property makes a billion dollars.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a completely unfair statement. The creators got way more than that over the years. They certainly should have received more. But stating they only got $5 is silly.</p>
<p>Btw, it&#8217;s Zenescope, not Zenescape.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108421</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I saw this as part of that disreputable chain, albeit from an unusual perspective.&quot;

I guess I&#039;m seeing this from the position of a small business.

I agree that its unfair to only give the creators of Superman 5 bucks when the property makes a billion dollars.

Its more fair to me to give the creators of Superman 5 bucks if the property makes $5.50.

I&#039;m sure these women are making some money for Zenescape by attracting people to the table or generating publicity, or whatever, but if they also get to explore the convention on their own (I have no idea what is expected of them at the convention, aside from the signing), and a free trip sounds like a form of compensation.

I can&#039;t say I know anything about the motivations of the women who enter this thing, whether they are just fans who want attention, aspiring models hoping to put this on their resume, clueless fools, or whatever.  I&#039;m not prepared to substitute by judgment for their own, without more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I saw this as part of that disreputable chain, albeit from an unusual perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m seeing this from the position of a small business.</p>
<p>I agree that its unfair to only give the creators of Superman 5 bucks when the property makes a billion dollars.</p>
<p>Its more fair to me to give the creators of Superman 5 bucks if the property makes $5.50.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure these women are making some money for Zenescape by attracting people to the table or generating publicity, or whatever, but if they also get to explore the convention on their own (I have no idea what is expected of them at the convention, aside from the signing), and a free trip sounds like a form of compensation.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I know anything about the motivations of the women who enter this thing, whether they are just fans who want attention, aspiring models hoping to put this on their resume, clueless fools, or whatever.  I&#8217;m not prepared to substitute by judgment for their own, without more information.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108420</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an unfortunate long history in comics of people accepting much less than their work should be worth. Writers accept a pittance to work on childhood favorite characters. Artists don&#039;t complain when they don&#039;t get paid for fear of being seen as &quot;rocking the boat&quot; or tagged a troublemaker, risking their ability to get future work. I saw this as part of that disreputable chain, albeit from an unusual perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an unfortunate long history in comics of people accepting much less than their work should be worth. Writers accept a pittance to work on childhood favorite characters. Artists don&#8217;t complain when they don&#8217;t get paid for fear of being seen as &#8220;rocking the boat&#8221; or tagged a troublemaker, risking their ability to get future work. I saw this as part of that disreputable chain, albeit from an unusual perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108419</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Zenescope, a comic company best known for covers featuring scantily clad women, is also too cheap to hire models. Instead, they run â€œGirl of the Yearâ€ contests. They even admit this is their target audience, asking those who are â€œaspiring models, amateur models, and fansâ€ to enter.&quot;

Zenoscope is a tiny publisher, they do, probably, one or two monthly comics, so I doubt that this has anything to do with being &quot;cheap&quot;, and, since you are a comic blogger, people shouldn&#039;t have to tell you how rare and difficult it is for anyone outside the big two publishers to make a living in comics.  (Do I know whether they can afford to pay a professional model? Well, Rich Johnson reported rumors they were having cash flow problems)

I doubt that any of those women are doing this because they desperately need a $100 gift certificate and trip to San Diego.

You are presenting this as if a huge corporate conglomerate was taking advantage of poor working models, which is ridiculous.

I know video game companies do the model thing, and don&#039;t know about comic publisher, but I&#039;d hate for this to be a  &quot;if the wealthy do it, its moral, if those without wealth do it, its disgusting and appalling,&quot; sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Zenescope, a comic company best known for covers featuring scantily clad women, is also too cheap to hire models. Instead, they run â€œGirl of the Yearâ€ contests. They even admit this is their target audience, asking those who are â€œaspiring models, amateur models, and fansâ€ to enter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Zenoscope is a tiny publisher, they do, probably, one or two monthly comics, so I doubt that this has anything to do with being &#8220;cheap&#8221;, and, since you are a comic blogger, people shouldn&#8217;t have to tell you how rare and difficult it is for anyone outside the big two publishers to make a living in comics.  (Do I know whether they can afford to pay a professional model? Well, Rich Johnson reported rumors they were having cash flow problems)</p>
<p>I doubt that any of those women are doing this because they desperately need a $100 gift certificate and trip to San Diego.</p>
<p>You are presenting this as if a huge corporate conglomerate was taking advantage of poor working models, which is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I know video game companies do the model thing, and don&#8217;t know about comic publisher, but I&#8217;d hate for this to be a  &#8220;if the wealthy do it, its moral, if those without wealth do it, its disgusting and appalling,&#8221; sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zenescope&#8217;s &#8220;Girl of the Month&#8221; contest gets some attention</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zenescope&#8217;s &#8220;Girl of the Month&#8221; contest gets some attention</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Johanna already got in on this. Johanna&#8217;s post was entitled, as is her fashion, PR: What Not to Do: Exploiting Models  In other words, instead of paying modeling fees, they get free pictures in return for calling it a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108415</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most costume contests that I have seen are not gender specific like this-nor are they calls out to aspiring models...they are meant for fans of all types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most costume contests that I have seen are not gender specific like this-nor are they calls out to aspiring models&#8230;they are meant for fans of all types.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108414</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t know about the nudie comparison, although I think that&#039;s somewhat telling given that we&#039;re talking about a comic based on fairy tale stories. But yeah, costume contests. There are always people willing to do this sort of thing purely for the attention and recognition of their craft skills, but that &quot;I made this costume myself&quot; aspect appears to be missing from this particular effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t know about the nudie comparison, although I think that&#8217;s somewhat telling given that we&#8217;re talking about a comic based on fairy tale stories. But yeah, costume contests. There are always people willing to do this sort of thing purely for the attention and recognition of their craft skills, but that &#8220;I made this costume myself&#8221; aspect appears to be missing from this particular effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108410</link>
		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comparisons:
1)  Costume contests, such as the recent Marvel contest during their motion comic premiere in Union Square, which were recently featured in their comic books.

2)  Nudie magazines holding monthly amateur modeling contests.  If memory serves, each month&#039;s winner gets a pictorial in the monthly issue, some cash.  The yearly winner gets a bigger payout.
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Do they need live models?  Oh, do you mean Booth Babes?  I can see the amateur angle, the fan doing something they enjoy, getting some fan-cred, the whole cosplay mentality, winning a prize.  

I haven&#039;t read their comics, so won&#039;t comment on the content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comparisons:<br />
1)  Costume contests, such as the recent Marvel contest during their motion comic premiere in Union Square, which were recently featured in their comic books.</p>
<p>2)  Nudie magazines holding monthly amateur modeling contests.  If memory serves, each month&#8217;s winner gets a pictorial in the monthly issue, some cash.  The yearly winner gets a bigger payout.<br />
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Do they need live models?  Oh, do you mean Booth Babes?  I can see the amateur angle, the fan doing something they enjoy, getting some fan-cred, the whole cosplay mentality, winning a prize.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read their comics, so won&#8217;t comment on the content.</p>
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		<title>By: Velma</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108405</link>
		<dc:creator>Velma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is, ugh!</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2010/01/14/pr-what-not-to-do-exploiting-models/comment-page-1/#comment-108404</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they prove that &quot;All models featured&quot; are at least 18 years of age? Do they have Notarized Certificates on record?

This is just ripe with the possibility of exploiting a minor, which we all know has a legal definition that nobody wants to be associated with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they prove that &#8220;All models featured&#8221; are at least 18 years of age? Do they have Notarized Certificates on record?</p>
<p>This is just ripe with the possibility of exploiting a minor, which we all know has a legal definition that nobody wants to be associated with.</p>
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