Comments on: Bluewater Launching Superhero Line With Twilight of the Gods http://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/ Independent Opinions on Comics of All Kinds Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:29:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Suzenehttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121907 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:35:57 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121907 “Dryer than my ex wifes vagina”

Lovely. I’m a classics minor and mythology and superheroes are usually a mix that pushes all of my nerd buttons, but I think I’ll be giving this a skip and spending more money on Age of Bronze.

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By: Gregg Paulsenhttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121905 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:32:35 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121905 I’m Gregg Paulsen the Artist of Orion and the art director for the whole line, Johanna, you bais against bluewater is not uncommon, but I have worked for them for 4 years and never EVER had a problem with them, as far as the payment thing, everyone who works for Bluewater signs a backend pay contract, which tells them if your book turns a profit, you will see a % ( usually 15% ) of said profit, now if it doesn’t your not gonna see anything, and that the way it is, its stated in the contract the artists or writers sign before work commences, I will send you the copy of the contract I have with them, I have recieved some monies for some projects I was a part of that turned a profit, and there are others I never saw a dime for, but I got to keep my art work and the work I did got out to the general public, which is all I wanted anyway, these people who complain about non payment for work from bluewater should know better anyway there is NO MONEY in the independent comics scene,NONE, Dryer than my ex wifes vagina, there is no money here at all, I do this mainly cause I love it, unless your marvel or DC theres no money here, now stated above they sign a contract for work and if theres no profit from the books no payment, thats the reality is it fair?, no. Does it suck? Hell Yes!, but that what it is. I mean christ BW printed the book and noone bought it, sad reality but its reality to give you a example: “Paparazzi” a book drawn by me and published by Bluewater, sold only 240 copies…TOTAL, guess who got no money??, if you guessed me you would be right. but you know what I didn’t care, cause it came out, a book has to sell at least 500 to 1000 copies to turn a profit, if no profit is there there nothing you can do but lick your wounds and move on… and that what I am gonna do at this point.

Now @ Ed’s comments- the WAVE was NOT AT ALL trying to cash in on anything DC is doing hell I didn’t even know that they were revamping everything over there till July, and we announced the line in late march early April, so we beat them to the punch in the announcement dept, but then again, we didn’t know that they were gonna do that, so you can look at it as a coincidence not a cash in. and as for the Artemis ad you saw it has nothing to do with the lame character in the DC universe, our Artemis IS the GREEK Myth, not a throwaway character from Wonder Woman. and I know of a lot of comic fans that won’t think of the Kirby Orion, seeing as ours is The GREEK Myth, and not one of the “Kings” made up heroes, and you also misspelled “Heracles” he’s not “Hercules” we are using the Greek myth of “Heracles” not using what has come before “The Twilight of the Gods” primer was used to set up of little universe of stories to tell, Johanna Bluewater has NOTHING to do with the books other than acting as a publisher, so when the books do come out all I ask is you pick each of them up and give them a read…you may be surprised.

Gregg Paulsen

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By: Ed Sizemorehttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121890 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:03:18 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121890 Well, it’s hard not to see this as trying to cash in on DC by association. I saw an ad online for the Artemis book and thought was a new DC title based on the female archer of the same name in the DC universe. Also, I can’t think of any comic fan that isn’t going to think of Kirby’s character when they see the name Orion.

Not to mention that Heracles is a character enjoying some success at Marvel right now.

Given the vast number of Greek gods, it strikes me as odd that 3 of the 4 titles here share names with existing superhero characters.

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By: Britt Sullivanhttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121884 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:28:35 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121884 Thanks for your candor. I hope you keep an open mind when the rest of the line comes out.

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By: Johannahttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121882 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:20:00 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121882 That’s cool, it’s easy to overlook something like revealing you’re getting paid (you are, aren’t you? I hope Bluewater has fixed that little problem) by the company you’re defending. I’m kidding — I really do sympathize with posting a comment and then thinking “oh, rats, I also meant to say …” I’ve done the same thing.

Regarding plot, I have always erred on the side of avoiding spoilers. Most 32-page-or-fewer comics get a sentence of summary from me unless they’re incredibly complex. I find, as a general idea, that the more a reviewer talks about the plot, the less they have to say about the comic as a review. YMMV.

I think your position with the company is making it hard for you to see the many concrete things I did say about this issue, but I don’t think anything will be achieved by debating it with you, because you’ve clearly made up your mind about the value of my work. The even-shorter version of this review goes like this: “This book is not good enough to break a boycott for.” (Which is a self-contradictory statement, but oh well.)

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By: Britt Sullivanhttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121879 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:27:26 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121879 Yes, I am the writer of Trident and I apologize for not mentioning that earlier. Believe it or not I had meant to do so. I didn’t ask any questions in the previous post; I responded to what I thought of your review, and I do stand by the things I said. Let me explain. If I were to say that Slaughterhouse Five is about a time traveler talking with aliens to discuss the dangers of war I would be leaving much out, right? Especially if I let my opinion on the company who published the book sway my opinion. I don’t know if this is happening in your case, but it seems that way. Let me be clear. I would never dream of comparing anyone to Vonnegut, least of all Stueve (HAH),my point is that you simply did not offer enough input on the book other than to say that Trident looks like a “wannabe Aquaman” when he looks nothing like Aquaman. If you want to give a decent review a few concrete references to what you like and/or do not like are needed. You don’t have to spoil the story for readers, but you do have to give more information than you did.

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By: Johannahttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121878 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:51:35 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121878 I’m right here, you know, you can ask me your questions instead of talking about “the author” like some person over there.

The motivation was that I was asked to talk about a book, and I did. I told you what the book was about: “The plot has the Greek gods dying and being replaced by costume-wearing associates. … as an introduction to a new shared superhero universe”.

If I hadn’t mentioned my history with Bluewater, I would have been attacked for hiding my bias… since I did, you think I’m biased. Can’t win on that one. But speaking of bias, are you the same Britt Sullivan credited with writing the Trident book? Maybe you should mention that to avoid giving the impression you’re impartially upset, instead of being upset because you work on the project I’m criticizing.

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By: Britt Sullivanhttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121877 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:17:05 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121877 I wonder about the motivation for this article/review. This seems to be more of a way for the author to further express her negative feelings about Bluewater Productions than actual coverage of Twilight of the Gods. This review is simply taking shots at the company rather than looking at the actual work. From the vague information given about the content of the book, I wonder if the author actually read the book or simply flipped pages. I personally would have liked to be told what the book was about rather than simply being told it is “boring and generic.” Those are broad, abstract terms that are subjective to the writer. As an avid reader I would have liked some explanation as to why the author felt this way. I realize that bloggers are not under the same professional standards of more reputable publications; however, there is still the responsibility to give a somewhat unbiased opinion so that readers can decide if they want to purchase the book or not. Really, if the best descriptive terms to describe the author’s work are “boring and generic” then perhaps the author should not be doing reviews. I looked at the link given to the author’s attitude towards Bluewater, and though I do understand that Bluewater doesn’t always practice the best business that shouldn’t be the driving force behind reviewing a new creative project.

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By: Aaron Stuevehttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121871 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:01:28 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121871 It’s cool. And honestly, if you do have more specific complaints (you know, things like this page is bad and here is why or this line of dialogue isn’t doing it for me and here is why) I would be happy to listen, but please email me those, just because, though you may think it is for the better if this book doesn’t see publication, I would like it to. :)

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By: Johannahttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121870 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:25:20 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121870 I’m sorry to be so blunt, and thank you for your openness and willing to discuss it.

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By: Aaron Stuevehttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121869 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:56:01 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121869 Okay, well thanks for your frankness.

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By: Johannahttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121868 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:23:17 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121868 I don’t really know how you specify “boring and generic”. I’ve seen it all before and page after page of talk-talk-talk is wearying. There is nothing that stands out about this comic. It could have been assembled by computer in how predictable and flat it all is. Generic also applies to the art, by the way.

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By: Aaron Stuevehttp://comicsworthreading.com/2011/09/18/bluewater-launching-superhero-line-with-twilight-of-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-121867 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 03:21:01 +0000 http://comicsworthreading.com/?p=22060#comment-121867 I appreciate your honesty. And in all seriousness would like to hear some specifics as to why you thought the book was “generic and forgettable” as well as “overwritten and boring to slog through.”
I know as a writer I won’t make everyone happy, but I like to make as many people happy as I can. That being said, if you’d email me about your issues with the book I’d like to hear from you. Hell, we can make our discussion public. I’m all for it. Thanks for reading though, and I did notice you didn’t talk much about the art. Did you like that at least? Well, let me know.

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