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		<title>By: Aldonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vicki vale, Vicki Vicki vale. I totally did the same thing when I read the batman book. So funny, just the one random line from chuck&#039;s pilot has stuck with me this whole time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicki vale, Vicki Vicki vale. I totally did the same thing when I read the batman book. So funny, just the one random line from chuck&#8217;s pilot has stuck with me this whole time.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised so many people didn&#039;t like Red Hood, it was my favorite of the launch.  I don&#039;t think your supposed to like the characters, though I found them easy to relate to.  Their sexual attitudes (both men and women) remind me of myself and friends when we were in our 20&#039;s.  When often traded off girls in the manner shown, though I never though it was degrading being that the girls we knew were much the same.  Perhaps the bulk of the readership weren&#039;t as fortunate as I was sexually but that&#039;s what draws me to the book.  On top of the action and fantastic art I feel there is fantastic room to explore these dynamics, both there sexual attitudes growing from quick gratification to genuine emotions for one another, complete with all the trappings of jealousy and hurt.  I&#039;d imagine that this will be forged by the present violence in the book destroying their feelings of invincibility which is another theme having to do with the bubble that is college bursting as they discover  real life. The short is I feel a lot of people missed the point of this book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised so many people didn&#8217;t like Red Hood, it was my favorite of the launch.  I don&#8217;t think your supposed to like the characters, though I found them easy to relate to.  Their sexual attitudes (both men and women) remind me of myself and friends when we were in our 20&#8242;s.  When often traded off girls in the manner shown, though I never though it was degrading being that the girls we knew were much the same.  Perhaps the bulk of the readership weren&#8217;t as fortunate as I was sexually but that&#8217;s what draws me to the book.  On top of the action and fantastic art I feel there is fantastic room to explore these dynamics, both there sexual attitudes growing from quick gratification to genuine emotions for one another, complete with all the trappings of jealousy and hurt.  I&#8217;d imagine that this will be forged by the present violence in the book destroying their feelings of invincibility which is another theme having to do with the bubble that is college bursting as they discover  real life. The short is I feel a lot of people missed the point of this book.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwijohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwijohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate to hear about the gore factor in the GL Corps comic. I first read work by Tomasi with his excellent writing on Hourman, so I know he is certainly capable of good writing and without any gore factor either. Hourman not withstanding though, I&#039;ve never been sufficently interested in any of the other DC titles he has written, from the sounds of GL Corps I probably haven&#039;t missed much.   
As a slight tangent, I thought DnA&#039;s writing of Nova and the Guardians of the Galaxy showed how a &quot;galactic police corps&quot; (in this case the Nova Corps and the Guardians)could be written well. It seems DC would like their &#039;space&#039; titles to get the same buzz, but their approach is probably too editorial committee driven and GL much too well-known to let any writer have their head with the characters (Jim Starlin notwithstanding :-)).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate to hear about the gore factor in the GL Corps comic. I first read work by Tomasi with his excellent writing on Hourman, so I know he is certainly capable of good writing and without any gore factor either. Hourman not withstanding though, I&#8217;ve never been sufficently interested in any of the other DC titles he has written, from the sounds of GL Corps I probably haven&#8217;t missed much.<br />
As a slight tangent, I thought DnA&#8217;s writing of Nova and the Guardians of the Galaxy showed how a &#8220;galactic police corps&#8221; (in this case the Nova Corps and the Guardians)could be written well. It seems DC would like their &#8216;space&#8217; titles to get the same buzz, but their approach is probably too editorial committee driven and GL much too well-known to let any writer have their head with the characters (Jim Starlin notwithstanding :-)).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; And I’m not surprised that adolescent boys (or the adolescent-minded) are loving this title. It’s designed for them. At least there are 51 other DC titles that may be of more interest to the rest of us.&quot;

I love how critics (in particular those who have been discussing the new 52) are desperately trying to shame anyone who might like what they don&#039;t by associating them or subtly implying they&#039;re some sort of socially stunted basement dwelling fanboy.  This kind of nonsense is happening more and more and it&#039;s really kind of sad.  They tried it with Catwoman as well and now there is a growing backlash developing as a result as more and more comic blogs are “coming out“ with critics on record as actually (gasp) liking it.  

I&#039;ve personally enjoyed very few of the new 52.  Resurrection Man, Demon Knights, Action, Captain Atom.  I didn&#039;t care for Red Hood a whole lot but if I knew someone who did, or someone who liked anything I didn&#039;t like I doubt I would try to guilt them or shame them or subtly insult them.  Because you know, that would make me look like a complete tool.  Just like you look.  That&#039;s really more pathetic than the people whom you think might like Red Hood or Catwoman or Batgirl or whatever else.

Now, please feel free to continue looking down your nose at those great unwashed masses, those poor, tasteless, uneducated slobs who don&#039;t know any better who might make the unfortunate mistake of liking something you don&#039;t.  We now return you to the pretentiousness, childish hyperbole, hypocrisy and feigned indignation, all ready in progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; And I’m not surprised that adolescent boys (or the adolescent-minded) are loving this title. It’s designed for them. At least there are 51 other DC titles that may be of more interest to the rest of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love how critics (in particular those who have been discussing the new 52) are desperately trying to shame anyone who might like what they don&#8217;t by associating them or subtly implying they&#8217;re some sort of socially stunted basement dwelling fanboy.  This kind of nonsense is happening more and more and it&#8217;s really kind of sad.  They tried it with Catwoman as well and now there is a growing backlash developing as a result as more and more comic blogs are “coming out“ with critics on record as actually (gasp) liking it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally enjoyed very few of the new 52.  Resurrection Man, Demon Knights, Action, Captain Atom.  I didn&#8217;t care for Red Hood a whole lot but if I knew someone who did, or someone who liked anything I didn&#8217;t like I doubt I would try to guilt them or shame them or subtly insult them.  Because you know, that would make me look like a complete tool.  Just like you look.  That&#8217;s really more pathetic than the people whom you think might like Red Hood or Catwoman or Batgirl or whatever else.</p>
<p>Now, please feel free to continue looking down your nose at those great unwashed masses, those poor, tasteless, uneducated slobs who don&#8217;t know any better who might make the unfortunate mistake of liking something you don&#8217;t.  We now return you to the pretentiousness, childish hyperbole, hypocrisy and feigned indignation, all ready in progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only read &quot;Red Hood&quot; (and &quot;Catwoman&quot;) just to see if it was as bad as the complaining merits. Which it did... ick. Granted, not a fan or follower of Red Hood (didn&#039;t follow the whole &quot;Jason Todd back from the dead/whatever and taking up what I always thought of as &#039;Joker&#039;s pre-Joker identity&#039;&quot; thing, or whatever), so this was my first real exposure to the guy. Still, Red Hood felt a lot like some Deadpool-knockoff to me...

That said, this book was garbage... did anyone at DC watch their own corporate cousins&#039; &quot;Teen Titans&quot; cartoon (to get an idea what new readers from the general public will imagine Starfire as being like)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only read &#8220;Red Hood&#8221; (and &#8220;Catwoman&#8221;) just to see if it was as bad as the complaining merits. Which it did&#8230; ick. Granted, not a fan or follower of Red Hood (didn&#8217;t follow the whole &#8220;Jason Todd back from the dead/whatever and taking up what I always thought of as &#8216;Joker&#8217;s pre-Joker identity&#8217;&#8221; thing, or whatever), so this was my first real exposure to the guy. Still, Red Hood felt a lot like some Deadpool-knockoff to me&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, this book was garbage&#8230; did anyone at DC watch their own corporate cousins&#8217; &#8220;Teen Titans&#8221; cartoon (to get an idea what new readers from the general public will imagine Starfire as being like)?</p>
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		<title>By: James Moar</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Moar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I did catch the tiny detail that the Corps has now doubled in size to 7200.&quot;

That&#039;s part of the run that predates the reboot. It&#039;s two per sector now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I did catch the tiny detail that the Corps has now doubled in size to 7200.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the run that predates the reboot. It&#8217;s two per sector now.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I really enjoyed the thoughtful commentary of Laura Hudson over at Comics Alliance although many of the now-over-1,800 comments made me sad. Or angry. Or stupefied.&quot;

Don&#039;t let that be the takeaway from the thread -- that&#039;s what the trolls WANT you to do.

There were literally hundreds of positive, supportive responses before a half-dozen or so people showed up to repeat the same vitriolic criticisms over and over again.  Focus on the positive -- and I sincerely hope Laura does too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really enjoyed the thoughtful commentary of Laura Hudson over at Comics Alliance although many of the now-over-1,800 comments made me sad. Or angry. Or stupefied.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let that be the takeaway from the thread &#8212; that&#8217;s what the trolls WANT you to do.</p>
<p>There were literally hundreds of positive, supportive responses before a half-dozen or so people showed up to repeat the same vitriolic criticisms over and over again.  Focus on the positive &#8212; and I sincerely hope Laura does too.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on Batman, I haven&#039;t read much by Snyder but he seems to really get it. Loved the varying voices, and the mystery is really good. I too thought of Chuck when I saw Vicki lol!


I was surprised by GLC, it was a little surprising to see Guy &amp; John back on Earth though I guess it was done in a way to show that they don&#039;t fit there anymore. It looks like it could be a good buddy cop show type of comic.

Higgens has said on twitter that he was a big fan of the Dixon Nightwing run, especially the first few years worth. It showed here as we get back to what made Nightwing &amp; Dick Grayson just  such a fun character read about.

I honestly feel people are giving Red Hood more attention than the book deserves. Its a train wreck of a book, that I don&#039;t expect to last past 6 issues as there doesn&#039;t seem to be  a point for these characters to be together. Its a book that probably would be ignored but with the attention now, will probably get those fans who aren&#039;t old enough (or brave enough) to buy Playboy  to check out.

I liked Supergirl slightly better than you did. For good or ill strange costumes have been a part of superheroes forever. I thought the first issue was light in terms of story, but like the basic premise of a girl from elsewhere on Earth. 

I&#039;ll get the next issue to see what she and Superman discuss, though if he offers to put her in an orphanage, than I understand the punch on #2&#039;s cover clearly.:)

This is the first time I&#039;ve ever found the Greek Gods interesting in Wonder Woman, so it has me liking the book. Before they were just boring or had shallow portrayals (except for Ares) so good to see them apparently setting up Diana to be our shield against them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on Batman, I haven&#8217;t read much by Snyder but he seems to really get it. Loved the varying voices, and the mystery is really good. I too thought of Chuck when I saw Vicki lol!</p>
<p>I was surprised by GLC, it was a little surprising to see Guy &amp; John back on Earth though I guess it was done in a way to show that they don&#8217;t fit there anymore. It looks like it could be a good buddy cop show type of comic.</p>
<p>Higgens has said on twitter that he was a big fan of the Dixon Nightwing run, especially the first few years worth. It showed here as we get back to what made Nightwing &amp; Dick Grayson just  such a fun character read about.</p>
<p>I honestly feel people are giving Red Hood more attention than the book deserves. Its a train wreck of a book, that I don&#8217;t expect to last past 6 issues as there doesn&#8217;t seem to be  a point for these characters to be together. Its a book that probably would be ignored but with the attention now, will probably get those fans who aren&#8217;t old enough (or brave enough) to buy Playboy  to check out.</p>
<p>I liked Supergirl slightly better than you did. For good or ill strange costumes have been a part of superheroes forever. I thought the first issue was light in terms of story, but like the basic premise of a girl from elsewhere on Earth. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get the next issue to see what she and Superman discuss, though if he offers to put her in an orphanage, than I understand the punch on #2&#8242;s cover clearly.:)</p>
<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve ever found the Greek Gods interesting in Wonder Woman, so it has me liking the book. Before they were just boring or had shallow portrayals (except for Ares) so good to see them apparently setting up Diana to be our shield against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree about Batman! Right up there with Action for me! I liked Nightwing a tad more than you did, mostly because I really tried reading it from a new reader perspective, and it worked terrifically under those conditions. I have to re-read Wonder Woman. I&#039;m one of the very few that don&#039;t like the art. Not impressed with Supergirl (Didn&#039;t DC put any thought into the order in which these were being released? Why have Superman appear here and in JL before Superman #1 debuts, especially as he&#039;s different than the Action character?), as there was no actual story. And creeped out by Red Hood et al. Not at all a way to get me interested in Lobdell&#039;s Teen Titans. A woman who wants random sex with guys whom she&#039;s not going to recall with any specificity afterward because she&#039;s ALIEN (but not too alien to want to hook up with us humans, don&#039;t you know?)and because Lobdell apparently likes the idea of every time with Starfire being the first time. Takes the pressure off a guy if he&#039;s never going to be compared to anyone else. Yuck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree about Batman! Right up there with Action for me! I liked Nightwing a tad more than you did, mostly because I really tried reading it from a new reader perspective, and it worked terrifically under those conditions. I have to re-read Wonder Woman. I&#8217;m one of the very few that don&#8217;t like the art. Not impressed with Supergirl (Didn&#8217;t DC put any thought into the order in which these were being released? Why have Superman appear here and in JL before Superman #1 debuts, especially as he&#8217;s different than the Action character?), as there was no actual story. And creeped out by Red Hood et al. Not at all a way to get me interested in Lobdell&#8217;s Teen Titans. A woman who wants random sex with guys whom she&#8217;s not going to recall with any specificity afterward because she&#8217;s ALIEN (but not too alien to want to hook up with us humans, don&#8217;t you know?)and because Lobdell apparently likes the idea of every time with Starfire being the first time. Takes the pressure off a guy if he&#8217;s never going to be compared to anyone else. Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Westfield Comics Blog &#187; Link Blogging: KC reviews DC&#8217;s New 52 week 4, part 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westfield Comics Blog &#187; Link Blogging: KC reviews DC&#8217;s New 52 week 4, part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Regular Westfield contributor KC Carlson continues his reviews of DC&#8217;s New 52 at Comics Worth Reading. This time, he concludes his look at the Week 4 books including Batman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern Corps. Check them out here. [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] Regular Westfield contributor KC Carlson continues his reviews of DC&#8217;s New 52 at Comics Worth Reading. This time, he concludes his look at the Week 4 books including Batman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern Corps. Check them out here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Batman was definitely lots of fun, and Red Hood was definitely utter trash. Adolescent in the worst possible ways.

I thought Green Lantern Corps was pretty fun as just a lightweight action book; not much substance to it but it promises mindless space-faring adventure and some likeable characters - though I see your point about the alien Lanterns unfortunately remaining anonymous, and I hope they get fleshed out some more in the next few issues. Assuming we do get some characterization of the others in subsequent issues, I prefer that approach over the first-issue infodumps of some of the other books with big rosters and long histories. It&#039;s not a series I&#039;m super excited about, but I&#039;m willing to stick around a few issues to see if it&#039;s satisfying past the first issue. The art was much better for the aliens and space stuff than the Earth stuff, so it&#039;s probably good that they seem to be leaving Earth behind now.

Supergirl was OK, in a similar vein, but nothing amazing either. I certainly won&#039;t argue too much with anyone who found it boring, but the art was nice enough and I liked the inner monologue and the fact that she&#039;s slowly coming to terms with this not being a dream. Again, I&#039;ll give it a few issues.

I like Dick Grayson, but Nightwing was pretty boring. 

But Wonder Woman was amazing. That&#039;s my second favorite book of the relaunch so far, topped only by Animal Man. Just really amazing stuff: dark and gory, but also fun and lively, so it&#039;s not just wallowing in the gore and horror. I thought it was a blast and I really loved that balancing of tones. It&#039;s such a perfect slant on the character: as you say, it initially seems counterintuitive considering the usual treatment of WW, but it actually fits perfectly with the bloody myths that serve as her foundation. This is one I was looking forward to and it even exceeded my high expectations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Batman was definitely lots of fun, and Red Hood was definitely utter trash. Adolescent in the worst possible ways.</p>
<p>I thought Green Lantern Corps was pretty fun as just a lightweight action book; not much substance to it but it promises mindless space-faring adventure and some likeable characters &#8211; though I see your point about the alien Lanterns unfortunately remaining anonymous, and I hope they get fleshed out some more in the next few issues. Assuming we do get some characterization of the others in subsequent issues, I prefer that approach over the first-issue infodumps of some of the other books with big rosters and long histories. It&#8217;s not a series I&#8217;m super excited about, but I&#8217;m willing to stick around a few issues to see if it&#8217;s satisfying past the first issue. The art was much better for the aliens and space stuff than the Earth stuff, so it&#8217;s probably good that they seem to be leaving Earth behind now.</p>
<p>Supergirl was OK, in a similar vein, but nothing amazing either. I certainly won&#8217;t argue too much with anyone who found it boring, but the art was nice enough and I liked the inner monologue and the fact that she&#8217;s slowly coming to terms with this not being a dream. Again, I&#8217;ll give it a few issues.</p>
<p>I like Dick Grayson, but Nightwing was pretty boring. </p>
<p>But Wonder Woman was amazing. That&#8217;s my second favorite book of the relaunch so far, topped only by Animal Man. Just really amazing stuff: dark and gory, but also fun and lively, so it&#8217;s not just wallowing in the gore and horror. I thought it was a blast and I really loved that balancing of tones. It&#8217;s such a perfect slant on the character: as you say, it initially seems counterintuitive considering the usual treatment of WW, but it actually fits perfectly with the bloody myths that serve as her foundation. This is one I was looking forward to and it even exceeded my high expectations.</p>
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