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		<title>By: Justice League: Doom Reviewed &#187; DVDs Worth Watching</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice League: Doom Reviewed &#187; DVDs Worth Watching</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Their Time Has Come: Cyborg and the DC Universe&#8217;s New Diversity&#8221;. (I guess canceling the comics Mister Terrific and Static Shock made that a harder pitch.) Marv Wolfman (the original writer), [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: What Is DC Thinking? Sex, Violence, Racism, and Marketing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Is DC Thinking? Sex, Violence, Racism, and Marketing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GWComics</title>
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		<dc:creator>GWComics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;When oh when will supposedly creative types learn – and I’m talking about films, TV and novels as much as comics – that it’s often far more difficult to do light comedy (or for that matter adventure, or romance) really well, than to load your story and characters with faux edginess – usually meaning no more than lots of four-letter words in the dialogue and gore in the illustrations?&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure they have learned that already.  Which is probably why they don&#039;t do it.  Too much work.

I wonder if not cancelling Atom has anything to do with the upcoming Watchmen prequels.  I&#039;m not saying that Atom will be in it, just that everyone, including DC, pretty much knows that Manhattan is based on Atom and keeping Atom alive keeps tongues wagging.  Just a theory.

And given that many titles put out run for years with crappy numbers, DC quickly canceling and replacing the recent poor sellers is actually interesting.  I wonder if that was part of DC&#039;s plan since the inception.  It&#039;s hard to believe that DC thought all of the 52 would be top sellers.  More likely that they had multiple replacements lined up and this is just the first of many.  Since it&#039;s a recent reboot, there will be less invested by readers and replacing something like Men of War with Dial H for Hero causes a buzz that sparks reader interest and probably works in DC&#039;s favor.  I have a hunch we&#039;ll be seeing a lot of this in a post reboot world.  Much the same way that televison once let a show run in spite of poor numbers until if found an audience and now if a show doesnt catch on immediately, it&#039;s cancelled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When oh when will supposedly creative types learn – and I’m talking about films, TV and novels as much as comics – that it’s often far more difficult to do light comedy (or for that matter adventure, or romance) really well, than to load your story and characters with faux edginess – usually meaning no more than lots of four-letter words in the dialogue and gore in the illustrations?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure they have learned that already.  Which is probably why they don&#8217;t do it.  Too much work.</p>
<p>I wonder if not cancelling Atom has anything to do with the upcoming Watchmen prequels.  I&#8217;m not saying that Atom will be in it, just that everyone, including DC, pretty much knows that Manhattan is based on Atom and keeping Atom alive keeps tongues wagging.  Just a theory.</p>
<p>And given that many titles put out run for years with crappy numbers, DC quickly canceling and replacing the recent poor sellers is actually interesting.  I wonder if that was part of DC&#8217;s plan since the inception.  It&#8217;s hard to believe that DC thought all of the 52 would be top sellers.  More likely that they had multiple replacements lined up and this is just the first of many.  Since it&#8217;s a recent reboot, there will be less invested by readers and replacing something like Men of War with Dial H for Hero causes a buzz that sparks reader interest and probably works in DC&#8217;s favor.  I have a hunch we&#8217;ll be seeing a lot of this in a post reboot world.  Much the same way that televison once let a show run in spite of poor numbers until if found an audience and now if a show doesnt catch on immediately, it&#8217;s cancelled.</p>
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		<title>By: chess</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124561</link>
		<dc:creator>chess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have a problem with Liefeld doing three books for DC.  I don&#039;t care for  his style and can&#039;t say I&#039;m familiar with his writing.  I just won&#039;t buy the books.  Simple as that.  I hadn&#039;t bought mainstream superhero comics in a while and the relaunch got me back into them.  Unfortunately, for the most part, it also reminded me of why I stopped buying them in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with Liefeld doing three books for DC.  I don&#8217;t care for  his style and can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m familiar with his writing.  I just won&#8217;t buy the books.  Simple as that.  I hadn&#8217;t bought mainstream superhero comics in a while and the relaunch got me back into them.  Unfortunately, for the most part, it also reminded me of why I stopped buying them in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacPherson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124560</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chess is right the mid-1990s gimmick-cover/speculator-craze mode harmed the industry, but I don&#039;t think one can point to specific creators as the cause. Liefeld as a publisher was a problem, but as a creator, I don&#039;t know that he was. Editorial and publishing decisions to mimic what was popular harmed to an extent, but that can&#039;t be laid at the feet of specific creators, I don&#039;t think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chess is right the mid-1990s gimmick-cover/speculator-craze mode harmed the industry, but I don&#8217;t think one can point to specific creators as the cause. Liefeld as a publisher was a problem, but as a creator, I don&#8217;t know that he was. Editorial and publishing decisions to mimic what was popular harmed to an extent, but that can&#8217;t be laid at the feet of specific creators, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good question, Jim -- with McDuffie gone, I don&#039;t know who&#039;s shepherding Milestone or whether it&#039;s still an independent company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good question, Jim &#8212; with McDuffie gone, I don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s shepherding Milestone or whether it&#8217;s still an independent company.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Perreault</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124556</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Perreault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what is the status of the Milestone characters?  In their Justice League appearances, the &quot;owned by Milestone&quot; disclaimer was missing, making be think the characters were sold to DC.  Is that not the case?

It seems to me that Liefeld moved a lot of books as an artist, not a writer.  So making him a writer on a number of books seems odd.  He does come up with interesting ideas, but he needs a writing partner to mold them into stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the status of the Milestone characters?  In their Justice League appearances, the &#8220;owned by Milestone&#8221; disclaimer was missing, making be think the characters were sold to DC.  Is that not the case?</p>
<p>It seems to me that Liefeld moved a lot of books as an artist, not a writer.  So making him a writer on a number of books seems odd.  He does come up with interesting ideas, but he needs a writing partner to mold them into stories.</p>
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		<title>By: chess</title>
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		<dc:creator>chess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t that 90s era what almost did in the comic industry?  Too much of speculators trying to buy massive amounts of comics like they were hot stocks only to find out that comics are not a wise investment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that 90s era what almost did in the comic industry?  Too much of speculators trying to buy massive amounts of comics like they were hot stocks only to find out that comics are not a wise investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124552</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It can seem safer to aim backwards at what worked once than to gamble on new work that might flop, especially from a corporate perspective. Except I think trying to recreate the 90s is a gamble, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can seem safer to aim backwards at what worked once than to gamble on new work that might flop, especially from a corporate perspective. Except I think trying to recreate the 90s is a gamble, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Peterson</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124550</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harras&#039; whole thing seems to be about turning DC into 90s Marvel/Image and to me, that era is dead and gone (as it should be). 
IMHO, they missed the mark with the relaunch.....instead of reinvigorating the line with fresh ideas, they&#039;ve taken the line back to an era that I feel was a blight on comics history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harras&#8217; whole thing seems to be about turning DC into 90s Marvel/Image and to me, that era is dead and gone (as it should be).<br />
IMHO, they missed the mark with the relaunch&#8230;..instead of reinvigorating the line with fresh ideas, they&#8217;ve taken the line back to an era that I feel was a blight on comics history.</p>
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		<title>By: chess</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124549</link>
		<dc:creator>chess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We’re more about the profitability of these titles. We’re more about the media and merchandise opportunities of these titles. And we’re most interested that the retailers are continually excited about the stories and characters.&quot;

And this is entirely what is wrong with comics.  Who cares about telling a good story?  This is all about profits and getting another terrible Green Lantern movie made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We’re more about the profitability of these titles. We’re more about the media and merchandise opportunities of these titles. And we’re most interested that the retailers are continually excited about the stories and characters.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is entirely what is wrong with comics.  Who cares about telling a good story?  This is all about profits and getting another terrible Green Lantern movie made.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124548</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo, Jenny. I&#039;m with you in wanting more light than darkness. 

It&#039;s understandable that Harras would want to hire former co-workers as known quantities, Don, but it does give the line a &quot;been there, done that&quot; feeling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Jenny. I&#8217;m with you in wanting more light than darkness. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s understandable that Harras would want to hire former co-workers as known quantities, Don, but it does give the line a &#8220;been there, done that&#8221; feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Bytowner</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124547</link>
		<dc:creator>Bytowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wondering if the &lt;b&gt;Static&lt;/b&gt; relaunch wasn&#039;t undermined by some of the premise changes rung in from upstairs at the last minute.

Who&#039;s currently got Dwayne McDuffie&#039;s old gig of giving/withholding approval of those sorts of changes re: the Milestone characters now on loan to the DCU?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering if the <b>Static</b> relaunch wasn&#8217;t undermined by some of the premise changes rung in from upstairs at the last minute.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s currently got Dwayne McDuffie&#8217;s old gig of giving/withholding approval of those sorts of changes re: the Milestone characters now on loan to the DCU?</p>
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		<title>By: JennyN</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124545</link>
		<dc:creator>JennyN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;promising a new, darker take&lt;/i&gt;

When oh when will supposedly creative types learn - and I&#039;m talking about films, TV and novels as much as comics - that it&#039;s often far more difficult to do light comedy (or for that matter adventure, or romance) really well, than to load your story and characters with faux edginess - usually meaning no more than lots of four-letter words in the dialogue and gore in the illustrations?  I don&#039;t know if Americans read much of the English writer P. G. Wodehouse, but his apparently airy concoctions have far more careful structure, and far more tightly controlled language, than many a heavyweight literary concoction.  Tintin titles still sell in the hundreds of thousands every year because Herge understood how to pace an adventure story, how to set up a gag and time the payoff, and how to suggest character in a few frames of entirely &quot;realistic&quot; art in a children&#039;s book.  Most of the current crop don&#039;t have anything like that degree of sheer craft - and I suspect they won&#039;t have anything like that longevity, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>promising a new, darker take</i></p>
<p>When oh when will supposedly creative types learn &#8211; and I&#8217;m talking about films, TV and novels as much as comics &#8211; that it&#8217;s often far more difficult to do light comedy (or for that matter adventure, or romance) really well, than to load your story and characters with faux edginess &#8211; usually meaning no more than lots of four-letter words in the dialogue and gore in the illustrations?  I don&#8217;t know if Americans read much of the English writer P. G. Wodehouse, but his apparently airy concoctions have far more careful structure, and far more tightly controlled language, than many a heavyweight literary concoction.  Tintin titles still sell in the hundreds of thousands every year because Herge understood how to pace an adventure story, how to set up a gag and time the payoff, and how to suggest character in a few frames of entirely &#8220;realistic&#8221; art in a children&#8217;s book.  Most of the current crop don&#8217;t have anything like that degree of sheer craft &#8211; and I suspect they won&#8217;t have anything like that longevity, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/01/16/four-months-in-dc-makes-some-major-adjustments/comment-page-1/#comment-124544</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good point - Kirby&#039;s DC creations seem a lot more prone to Kirby pastiche interpretations than his Marvel creations.  And you have to wonder how big the audience for the comic equivalent of a Beatles tribute band really is.  Personally, I liked OMAC a lot, but I&#039;m not entirely surprised that it failed to find an audience.

Commercially, the WildStorm characters are doing a LOT better as part of the DCU than they did on their own.  The last two WildStorm relaunches were utter disasters.  The current versions of Grifter and Voodoo are at least shifting in the region of 20,000 copies a month in north America, and while that&#039;s not spectacular, it&#039;s a massive improvement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point &#8211; Kirby&#8217;s DC creations seem a lot more prone to Kirby pastiche interpretations than his Marvel creations.  And you have to wonder how big the audience for the comic equivalent of a Beatles tribute band really is.  Personally, I liked OMAC a lot, but I&#8217;m not entirely surprised that it failed to find an audience.</p>
<p>Commercially, the WildStorm characters are doing a LOT better as part of the DCU than they did on their own.  The last two WildStorm relaunches were utter disasters.  The current versions of Grifter and Voodoo are at least shifting in the region of 20,000 copies a month in north America, and while that&#8217;s not spectacular, it&#8217;s a massive improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 6 titles canceled were all ones I gave up on quickly. They didn&#039;t have a voice or solid direction, and I&#039;d have a hard time telling you what they were about. Which actually made me wonder what their pitches looked like to DC.

Well except OMAC, but then for me it had the problem all other Kirby DC concepts have had. When creators come on board they just want to do what Kirby did, which makes me go &quot;Well why wouldn&#039;t I just read Kirby&#039;s stuff, rather than your imitation?&quot;

Kirby&#039;s Marvel creations have been more successful because the creators don&#039;t just come in with the idea of I want to do what Kirby did.

Liefield is weird, from interviews and seeing him on twitter he seems to have so much enthusiasm. When I encountered his Image titles in packs at WalMart I liked them because they were so different. Yet I took one look at Hawk &amp; Dove and just found it horrible.

There was a part of me that wanted to read his first Deathstroke though, as it&#039;ll have Lobo who is an over the top character that&#039;d seem to fit his style. Yet then I remembered he had sort of done Lobo, only it was called &lt;a&gt;Bloodwulf&lt;/a&gt;

I wonder if the Ravagers is a reworked Gen 13? Since a couple of those characters have been in the Superboy series.(Fairchild and I think Bobby) The WS characters don&#039;t seem to be having any better luck as part of the DCU, than they did as on their own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 6 titles canceled were all ones I gave up on quickly. They didn&#8217;t have a voice or solid direction, and I&#8217;d have a hard time telling you what they were about. Which actually made me wonder what their pitches looked like to DC.</p>
<p>Well except OMAC, but then for me it had the problem all other Kirby DC concepts have had. When creators come on board they just want to do what Kirby did, which makes me go &#8220;Well why wouldn&#8217;t I just read Kirby&#8217;s stuff, rather than your imitation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Kirby&#8217;s Marvel creations have been more successful because the creators don&#8217;t just come in with the idea of I want to do what Kirby did.</p>
<p>Liefield is weird, from interviews and seeing him on twitter he seems to have so much enthusiasm. When I encountered his Image titles in packs at WalMart I liked them because they were so different. Yet I took one look at Hawk &amp; Dove and just found it horrible.</p>
<p>There was a part of me that wanted to read his first Deathstroke though, as it&#8217;ll have Lobo who is an over the top character that&#8217;d seem to fit his style. Yet then I remembered he had sort of done Lobo, only it was called <a>Bloodwulf</a></p>
<p>I wonder if the Ravagers is a reworked Gen 13? Since a couple of those characters have been in the Superboy series.(Fairchild and I think Bobby) The WS characters don&#8217;t seem to be having any better luck as part of the DCU, than they did as on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacPherson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don MacPherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liefeld being assigned three titles in the wake of &lt;I&gt;Hawk and Dove&lt;/I&gt;&#039;s cancellation seems odd at first, but one has to consider his history.

When Bob Harras, now DC&#039;s editor-in-chief, was with Marvel in the early 1990s, Liefeld moved a LOT of units. We all know comics is a cyclical marketplace, so it seems Harras is betting on Liefeld&#039;s marketability coming back into vogue. I think it&#039;s a losing bet, but looking back makes Liefeld&#039;s present workload make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liefeld being assigned three titles in the wake of <i>Hawk and Dove</i>&#8216;s cancellation seems odd at first, but one has to consider his history.</p>
<p>When Bob Harras, now DC&#8217;s editor-in-chief, was with Marvel in the early 1990s, Liefeld moved a LOT of units. We all know comics is a cyclical marketplace, so it seems Harras is betting on Liefeld&#8217;s marketability coming back into vogue. I think it&#8217;s a losing bet, but looking back makes Liefeld&#8217;s present workload make sense.</p>
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