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		<title>By: NYJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DC is shutting the boards down just as sales begin to level out...hmmmmm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC is shutting the boards down just as sales begin to level out&#8230;hmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, it&#039;s a tough question. Probably the best outlet these days is Twitter or title- or creator-specific sites (bases on the similar tastes you mention). 

Hal, yeah, every time I talk about things like this, I think back to how much fun that time was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, it&#8217;s a tough question. Probably the best outlet these days is Twitter or title- or creator-specific sites (bases on the similar tastes you mention). </p>
<p>Hal, yeah, every time I talk about things like this, I think back to how much fun that time was.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Shipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I despised the DC Boards, this article makes me sad for the Usenet rac* groups.  Nothing I&#039;ve seen since it died has come close to the community or reading experience.  The speed, the range of comments and discussions and the killfile (so you could self-moderate) made it such a great experience...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I despised the DC Boards, this article makes me sad for the Usenet rac* groups.  Nothing I&#8217;ve seen since it died has come close to the community or reading experience.  The speed, the range of comments and discussions and the killfile (so you could self-moderate) made it such a great experience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/02/23/dc-to-shut-down-message-boards/comment-page-1/#comment-125251</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, question: how does one meet like-minded fans/fans with similar tastes online (or offline) then, if bulletin board forums are now considered &quot;dying&quot;/&quot;passe&quot;? Comments on blogs (like this one)? Starting one&#039;s own blog (which I already have, but I don&#039;t get much in the way of comments)?

I do use Facebook, but have very few &quot;friends&quot; on there... almost none of them big comic book fans in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, question: how does one meet like-minded fans/fans with similar tastes online (or offline) then, if bulletin board forums are now considered &#8220;dying&#8221;/&#8221;passe&#8221;? Comments on blogs (like this one)? Starting one&#8217;s own blog (which I already have, but I don&#8217;t get much in the way of comments)?</p>
<p>I do use Facebook, but have very few &#8220;friends&#8221; on there&#8230; almost none of them big comic book fans in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Augie, reputation-based participation is stronger, but how easy is it to create a fake Facebook? And yes, JB, the Comics Journal did go to that policy before shutting their boards down. It caused a lot of griping but not sure how much help it was. 

Jer, you&#039;re right. Letter columns are a sales venue for issues and titles. They&#039;re curated to create a particular perception. They were never an open venue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Augie, reputation-based participation is stronger, but how easy is it to create a fake Facebook? And yes, JB, the Comics Journal did go to that policy before shutting their boards down. It caused a lot of griping but not sure how much help it was. </p>
<p>Jer, you&#8217;re right. Letter columns are a sales venue for issues and titles. They&#8217;re curated to create a particular perception. They were never an open venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The comments section at ComicsAlliance took a permanent nosedive after the site started talking about sexism.  In any article with more than a dozen comments, you can reliably find some idiot ranting about the chip on Laura Hudson&#039;s shoulder and her bias against DC, regardless of what the article is actually about.

Bleedingcool still runs forums.  I expect they fall under your &quot;insufficiently moderated&quot; category.

@Augie: Realname enforcement is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper but is completely worthless in real life.  It just means that anonymous trolls call themselves John Smith instead of dcrules87, while creating headaches for people who actually have a good reason to post pseudonymously.  I use my real name, but I&#039;m a straight, middle-class American white boy; about the only way I could be a bigger poster-child for privilege would be if I were Christian and just a little more middle-of-the-road politically.  (The most serious repercussions I&#039;ve ever had for posting things on the Internet under my real name: somebody once asked me in a job interview about a post I made about DRM on the FTC website, and a few years ago I picked up an Internet stalker who, after I banned him from my messageboard, checked whois for my address and posted Google Earth photos of it.  Luckily I registered my website under my hosting company&#039;s address, but it was still pretty creepy.)

A few good posts on the Nymwars:

http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html , &quot;Real Names&quot; Policies Are an Abuse of Power, by danah boyd (no relation)

http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ , Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names, by Patrick McKenzie

http://gewalker.blogspot.com/2011/08/firsthand-examination-of-google-profile.html -- A Firsthand Examination of the Google+ Profile Reporting Process, by Gary Walker -- this one REALLY takes a wrecking ball to the idea that realname policies have any teeth; among other things, he &quot;proves his identity&quot; to Google+&#039;s admins by Photoshopping a picture of Tucson shooter Jared Loughner onto the McLovin ID from Superbad.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/08/why-im-not-on-google-plus.html -- Why I&#039;m not on Google Plus, by Charlie Stross.  References the above links pretty extensively but still worth reading for his additional comments.

In short: yes, forcing people to post under their real names might, hypothetically, make them behave better.  But it&#039;s a moot point since you can&#039;t actually DO that.  The best you can do is force people to post under things that sound, to some random wage-slave in a cubicle somewhere, like they are real names.  Which is a lot less of a deterrant to a troll than to, well, here&#039;s one more link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030404159.html -- Offbeat Name? Then Facebook&#039;s No Friend, by Monica Hesse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments section at ComicsAlliance took a permanent nosedive after the site started talking about sexism.  In any article with more than a dozen comments, you can reliably find some idiot ranting about the chip on Laura Hudson&#8217;s shoulder and her bias against DC, regardless of what the article is actually about.</p>
<p>Bleedingcool still runs forums.  I expect they fall under your &#8220;insufficiently moderated&#8221; category.</p>
<p>@Augie: Realname enforcement is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper but is completely worthless in real life.  It just means that anonymous trolls call themselves John Smith instead of dcrules87, while creating headaches for people who actually have a good reason to post pseudonymously.  I use my real name, but I&#8217;m a straight, middle-class American white boy; about the only way I could be a bigger poster-child for privilege would be if I were Christian and just a little more middle-of-the-road politically.  (The most serious repercussions I&#8217;ve ever had for posting things on the Internet under my real name: somebody once asked me in a job interview about a post I made about DRM on the FTC website, and a few years ago I picked up an Internet stalker who, after I banned him from my messageboard, checked whois for my address and posted Google Earth photos of it.  Luckily I registered my website under my hosting company&#8217;s address, but it was still pretty creepy.)</p>
<p>A few good posts on the Nymwars:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html</a> , &#8220;Real Names&#8221; Policies Are an Abuse of Power, by danah boyd (no relation)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/</a> , Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names, by Patrick McKenzie</p>
<p><a href="http://gewalker.blogspot.com/2011/08/firsthand-examination-of-google-profile.html" rel="nofollow">http://gewalker.blogspot.com/2011/08/firsthand-examination-of-google-profile.html</a> &#8212; A Firsthand Examination of the Google+ Profile Reporting Process, by Gary Walker &#8212; this one REALLY takes a wrecking ball to the idea that realname policies have any teeth; among other things, he &#8220;proves his identity&#8221; to Google+&#8217;s admins by Photoshopping a picture of Tucson shooter Jared Loughner onto the McLovin ID from Superbad.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/08/why-im-not-on-google-plus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/08/why-im-not-on-google-plus.html</a> &#8212; Why I&#8217;m not on Google Plus, by Charlie Stross.  References the above links pretty extensively but still worth reading for his additional comments.</p>
<p>In short: yes, forcing people to post under their real names might, hypothetically, make them behave better.  But it&#8217;s a moot point since you can&#8217;t actually DO that.  The best you can do is force people to post under things that sound, to some random wage-slave in a cubicle somewhere, like they are real names.  Which is a lot less of a deterrant to a troll than to, well, here&#8217;s one more link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030404159.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030404159.html</a> &#8212; Offbeat Name? Then Facebook&#8217;s No Friend, by Monica Hesse.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B</title>
		<link>http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/02/23/dc-to-shut-down-message-boards/comment-page-1/#comment-125244</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, aren&#039;t we Mr. Reality Check today!

Augie, didn&#039;t the Comics Journal message boards try that real-name posting thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, aren&#8217;t we Mr. Reality Check today!</p>
<p>Augie, didn&#8217;t the Comics Journal message boards try that real-name posting thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;So with no forums and no letter columns, that leaves Facebook/Twitter comments (if that lasts) or comic conventions for receiving input from fans?&lt;/i&gt;

Letter columns aren&#039;t about receiving input from fans.  Letter columns are about building an illusion of community among the fans.  When the editors of the books are fans as well, they&#039;re part of the fan community (as happened with some of the &quot;best&quot; letter columns starting roughly in the 1970s), but they definitely are NOT about the corporation receiving input directly from fans.

If it were about receiving feedback from customers, they wouldn&#039;t be public.  You don&#039;t see McDonald&#039;s posting all of their correspondence from their customers on the web.  You can still send a letter to DC comics, and it will receive the same consideration any other letter they have ever gotten will receive.  They just are no longer holding a public forum for their readers and fans to talk to each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So with no forums and no letter columns, that leaves Facebook/Twitter comments (if that lasts) or comic conventions for receiving input from fans?</i></p>
<p>Letter columns aren&#8217;t about receiving input from fans.  Letter columns are about building an illusion of community among the fans.  When the editors of the books are fans as well, they&#8217;re part of the fan community (as happened with some of the &#8220;best&#8221; letter columns starting roughly in the 1970s), but they definitely are NOT about the corporation receiving input directly from fans.</p>
<p>If it were about receiving feedback from customers, they wouldn&#8217;t be public.  You don&#8217;t see McDonald&#8217;s posting all of their correspondence from their customers on the web.  You can still send a letter to DC comics, and it will receive the same consideration any other letter they have ever gotten will receive.  They just are no longer holding a public forum for their readers and fans to talk to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Augie De Blieck Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augie De Blieck Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This will be an interesting experiment, actually. We&#039;ll soon see if people using their real names to post comments will help self-moderate.  That&#039;s the true power of Facebook-powered posting.

On the other hand, integrated Twitter feeds provide the exact opposite -- anonymous flame baiting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be an interesting experiment, actually. We&#8217;ll soon see if people using their real names to post comments will help self-moderate.  That&#8217;s the true power of Facebook-powered posting.</p>
<p>On the other hand, integrated Twitter feeds provide the exact opposite &#8212; anonymous flame baiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish there were more open, general subject fan discussion sites, but there&#039;s no incentive to set one up. Large publishers, for reasons I&#039;ve mentioned above, see them as a headache with no benefit. Creator- or book-specific boards are too focused for what I&#039;m thinking of. There used to be sites like Newsarama and CBR, but they&#039;ve given up or don&#039;t moderate firmly enough for my taste. It&#039;s an effort that takes a lot of time and attention with little reward, since ad sales aren&#039;t what they used to be, and how else do you monetize it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there were more open, general subject fan discussion sites, but there&#8217;s no incentive to set one up. Large publishers, for reasons I&#8217;ve mentioned above, see them as a headache with no benefit. Creator- or book-specific boards are too focused for what I&#8217;m thinking of. There used to be sites like Newsarama and CBR, but they&#8217;ve given up or don&#8217;t moderate firmly enough for my taste. It&#8217;s an effort that takes a lot of time and attention with little reward, since ad sales aren&#8217;t what they used to be, and how else do you monetize it?</p>
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		<title>By: James Schee</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hasn&#039;t visited the boards in years, so with this news I peeked in just to see.  Didn&#039;t see anyone I knew posting and the traffic seemed very light. 

I guess mbs are going sort of the same way chat rooms have gone. In a way it is a shame as without the DC chats &amp; mbs on AOL way back when. I&#039;d never have gotten exposed to the online Comics  community. 

Having been someone who hadnt had a lot of comic retading friends, those were a wonderful thing to discover way back when  These days you of have to work harder to find that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hasn&#8217;t visited the boards in years, so with this news I peeked in just to see.  Didn&#8217;t see anyone I knew posting and the traffic seemed very light. </p>
<p>I guess mbs are going sort of the same way chat rooms have gone. In a way it is a shame as without the DC chats &amp; mbs on AOL way back when. I&#8217;d never have gotten exposed to the online Comics  community. </p>
<p>Having been someone who hadnt had a lot of comic retading friends, those were a wonderful thing to discover way back when  These days you of have to work harder to find that.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Bacardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Bacardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though I stopped frequenting the DC Boards at about the same time I started blogging (2002, can&#039;t remember the last time I went there), this is still a little sad...while there were puh-len-ty of trolls and knuckleheads there, there were decent conversations to be found, at least back when I was a regular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I stopped frequenting the DC Boards at about the same time I started blogging (2002, can&#8217;t remember the last time I went there), this is still a little sad&#8230;while there were puh-len-ty of trolls and knuckleheads there, there were decent conversations to be found, at least back when I was a regular.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still sorry to &quot;hear&quot; this. The potential for good things being dispensed with, after all, even though it wasn&#039;t as fulfilled as it might have been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still sorry to &#8220;hear&#8221; this. The potential for good things being dispensed with, after all, even though it wasn&#8217;t as fulfilled as it might have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgot to add: far as message boards are concerned, there&#039;s Toonzone (www.toonzone.net), which (besides animation) also has a forum covering comics...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to add: far as message boards are concerned, there&#8217;s Toonzone (www.toonzone.net), which (besides animation) also has a forum covering comics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 02:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So with no forums and no letter columns, that leaves Facebook/Twitter comments (if that lasts) or comic conventions for receiving input from fans?

Guess different from Marvel, which still has (or brought back) letter columns (at least in the Spider-Man book I&#039;m reading)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So with no forums and no letter columns, that leaves Facebook/Twitter comments (if that lasts) or comic conventions for receiving input from fans?</p>
<p>Guess different from Marvel, which still has (or brought back) letter columns (at least in the Spider-Man book I&#8217;m reading)?</p>
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